Has anyone encountered someone from a country that has had socialist in the past falling for propaganda.
I have a couple friends who know I’m a ML and its difficult to try to discuss communism around them because of how they fall for the anti red propaganda.
I can discuss the issues with them but they often dismiss everything at themselves being an authority on the subject as I do not live in a post socialist society. I ususally write them off as impossible to enter reasonable discussions with and also I focus mostly on the people within my region to agitate. But occasionally they’re a mutual friend or are in the vicinity of the discussion and return to the same old things.
Unnecessary but relevant story:
There was even an incident with a German I met at a party. I talked for a bit about normal stuff and mentioned how hard living was for me in my country because of capitalism and he shut me down not wanting to talk about politics which ofc I respect its a party. But later when I was discussing the feminist progress in socialist countries have accomplished and their impact on our country and culture with a professor I was totally chattin up(she wrote her final thesis on a similar matter), they came over and interrupted the conversation with their own opinions on the matter. Mostly referring to the history in Berlin of which ofc they hadn't personally experienced. Thankfully this didn't ruin the vibe and us socialists got social lmao.
But Its something I have encountered repeatedly and I’m not sure how to approach it. Especially as someone from a imperial country.
社会主義採用してた国の人とプロパガンダ信じるのがありますか？少し友達に僕はMLだを知ってます。プロパガンダひっかかるので、辺で共産主義について話は難しです。
あの人とよく話せますけど、よく僕の意見は無視されますよ。あの人にとって、あの人は共産主義について権威振舞いますよ。あの人とちゃんと話無理と思いますて, 同国人とに焦点変わります。しかし、よくあの人辺がいますて、よく僕の話に遮ります。どうしようかな
話 パーティーでドイツ人が合いました.ちょっと間普段話題話しましたて、僕は「資本主義だから僕の生活は硬いです」みたいなて彼は政治的について話しませんだから切り捨てられた。それいいと思いますけど、その後教授と資本主採用してた国のフェミニズム遂げたについて話しましたとき, まじよ遊んでた,(彼女の論文の課題同様もの書いた）あの人は意見ともう一回来て切り捨てられた！大抵バーリンの歴についてあの人体験しませんようだ。とにかく、バイブかわりませんのでしたて社会主義者は社会主義者でしたね～ｗｗｗ
とにかく、よくこの問題を会います。どうしようかな、特別に僕は インペリアル コール国民です
edit: spelling mistakes 変わり：誤字でした
It's identity politics (yes I know the word is charged but this is also literally what it means). Living in a place does not confer someone instant total knowledge about the conditions of their experience. I live in capitalism and what do I know about capitalism or running a company? Has everyone living in a neoliberal hellhole read Mises, Hayek and the other so-called 'real' economists that championed the misery we experience?
Sure I can say that it's pretty miserable, that wage is not keeping up with cost of living etc. None of this confers me the LTV, the theory of surplus value, etc. Just start with where you live and reframe from there imo. In capitalism there are also dissidents (we are proof), regime bootlickers and others "I just want to grill" apolitical types. There are also liars who tell you their new law will be good for workers when it's the complete opposite (like France graciously "allowing" employees in bakeries and flower shops to work on May 1st at increased wages, the only reason people "agree" to work on May 1st is because wages are too small and don't cover cost of living so people feel compelled to take the day).
This is why no one person is an authority on the subject of "this is how living here is like", no matter how much zeal they might put in their speech. Most people don't even fully understand their political system even if they have civics class in school, or just did the bare minimum to get through school and move on.