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[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

Smaller cars will continue to kill a few billion animals yearly. They will also continue to kill around a million of humans every year, or about one human every 30 seconds.

The area covered by parking lots is mostly impervious and contributes to flooding as well as heat islands. Cars and parking lots make cities hotter and are worsening climate change. They also contribute to noise pollution. And no, electric cars are not better for noise because at highway speed they are as noisy as fossil fuel cars, and at low speed, their pedestrian warning system is also louder than fossil fuel cars.

I can be nuanced and understand that some people will always need a car, but most people in the world live in a town, a suburb, or a city, and the existence of the vast majority of those cars cannot be justified, whatever their size. Of course smaller cars are desirable. Electric cars are desirable A mix of electric and smaller would be better than status quo. But fewer cars is even more desirable.

[-] vividspecter@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

their pedestrian warning system is also louder than fossil fuel cars.

Hasn't been my experience, not that I disagree with your overall argument. Might differ by country and regulations etc.

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It does vary depending on the manufacturer. Some are pretty quiet. I can't hear any Tesla "honking at low volume" when they pass by, but they probably just don't comply with new regulations. I find Hyundai to be the worst.

I live in a tower at the intersection of a busy street with traffic lights and I can hear the Hyundai EVs while sitting in my couch when the windows are open. In fact, they're open right now and I can clearly hear a Chevrolet EV decelerating before coming to a stop at the traffic light while I'm typing this. Toyota EVs are also pretty loud. Granted I can also hear loud and modified fossil fuel engines but most of them usually blend into a white noise.

When walking around the smaller streets of my neighbourhood, cars are going pretty slow and the noises of Hyundai, Chevrolet and Toyota EVs definitely stand out. It's weird because I'm a pedestrian. I don't have a car. I hate them. And I want them to be secure for pedestrians. But some of those warning systems are so loud and annoying that I wish they would just be quiet.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

While I agree with your points, those of us in non metropolises need cars. Could we change to smaller cars and motorcycles and outlaw large trucks except for work? Yes.

I literally couldn't live without my cars. Because I have a house out of town. And towns here are an hour apart

[-] teuniac_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The ugliest urban environments were designed around older cars, long before SUVs were the norm. Like you said, it's not just the car, but also the infrastructure it requires.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'd honestly argue the infrastructure is the bigger issue because of all the other shit it influences as well. The poor infrastructure is a massive factor in both pedestrian and occupant safety, it makes cities spread out and inefficient, which causes all the buildings to also be leff effecient (more walls exposed rather than shared with other buildings etc).

The scale and lack of established alternatives makes it very difficult for even a small city to make minor changes without extreme push back (speed cameras and bike lanes were made illegal on province wide scale in my area, making it hard for a city to make improvements to cycling and speeding).

This hasn't even touched on the environmental factors, road noise, or maintaince budgets. The infrastructure is the biggest part of the problem, it has gone on long enough to let the SUV become so wide spread.

this post was submitted on 11 Apr 2026
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