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Always remember, both sides are just as bad! (thelemmy.club)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/9183854

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[–] -1 points 6 months ago* (16 children)

This argument is either based on ignorance or bad faith.

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/

“Did President Obama have "total control" of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.”

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    The healthcare bill written by Republican Mitt Romney that didn’t have universal healthcare and ended up being a handout to health insurance companies? That bill?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Were you not following the back and forth fight that went on back then for him to try to get anything through? Yeah it’s shit but it’s a lot better than the nothing there was. It was progress and if this country had actual adults in it instead of a bunch of emotional children and corrupt politicians then things could continue to progress.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    corrupt politicians

    Like the dems.

    if this country had actual adults in it instead of a bunch of emotional children

    Blaming the voters. The endpoint of every democratic argument.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago

    Like the dems.

    Yeah, cuz both sides are equally corrupt.

    Two questions.

    1. Are you aware that reality is all sorts of imperfect and there will ALWAYS be corruption in political parties?

    2. Are you aware that for the foreseeable future, and most likely for the remainder of your life, you will have Dems or Repubs in control?

    So with those in mind, what good do you think it does to whine about a party having corruption when all parties will always have corruption and it's our duty to make the best decision within that reality? Such as making sure the WAY, WAY, WAY less corrupt party is in control and not the WAY, WAY, WAY more corrupt party.

    Blaming the voters.

    Why wouldn't they be to blame? How do you think the president and members of Congress got there? We live in a nation that willingly elected a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who ran a fraudulent university and charity and already had one massively failed presidency under his belt. Not to mention the open bigotry and obviously low IQ.

    This IS a country full of child-like adults, and our government is a testament to that. Of course voters are to blame. We made this happen.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The person you are responding to was probably still breast feeding during Obama's presidency. So they're likely completely unaware that before Obamacare millions of people just didn't have healthcare and that Obama had to fight like hell with Republicans just to get it done.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Dont argue with me. Go argue with history ....

    117th Congress (2021–2023): Democrats gained control of the Senate (via Georgia runoffs) and held the House, paired with President Biden's election. The 4-Year Period: This 4-year stretch saw shifting majorities in the Senate, but the Democratic caucus maintained a working majority to control the legislative agenda from 2021-2023, while holding the House from 2019-2023, marking a four-year tenure of overall legislative

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You said they had the house, senate, AND presidency for 4+ years. The house yes, presidency yes, senate no. Nothing becomes law without the senate. Your claim was not accurate.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Argue with Google. Not me. Biden had the house and senate.

    You sound like AI.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Do you remember Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema? Remember how they kind of held up everything?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why weren't they censured? Everything plays out EXACTLY like big business wants it. If you dont understand that corporations have nearly ful control of politics then we have nothing to discuss. Here is the summary ... both sides bow down to billionaires and corporations.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Sure rotating villain and all that. Yes generally both sides serve their corporate rulers, but the progressives still caucus with Democrats, so they're slightly better and should always be voted for if the alternative is literal fascists. FPTP is the main problem in the electoral process.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You are responding to someone who doesn't do his homework and who is being upvoted by other people who do not do their homework.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    You literally said dems havent had the House, Senate, and presidency ... then posted the Biden era where he had the house, senate, and pres. You are acting and posting like AI.

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