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Always remember, both sides are just as bad! (thelemmy.club)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/9183854

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[–] 27 points 6 months ago (25 children)

The democrats had the house, senate, and presidency for 4+ years. Where is that Healthcare?

Spoiler: Both sides are bad, they both get paid off. Its just that one side is really fucking honest with you right now ... to the point where they commit crimes in public because no one will do anything about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    The democrats had the house, senate, and presidency for 4+ years

    What years where these pray tell? I guess if you don't mean "4+ consecutive years" but that would be silly wouldn't it?

    Also, why did you fail to mention the Supreme Court? Interesting.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (16 children)

    This argument is either based on ignorance or bad faith.

    https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/

    “Did President Obama have "total control" of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.”

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    The healthcare bill written by Republican Mitt Romney that didn’t have universal healthcare and ended up being a handout to health insurance companies? That bill?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Were you not following the back and forth fight that went on back then for him to try to get anything through? Yeah it’s shit but it’s a lot better than the nothing there was. It was progress and if this country had actual adults in it instead of a bunch of emotional children and corrupt politicians then things could continue to progress.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    corrupt politicians

    Like the dems.

    if this country had actual adults in it instead of a bunch of emotional children

    Blaming the voters. The endpoint of every democratic argument.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago

    Like the dems.

    Yeah, cuz both sides are equally corrupt.

    Two questions.

    1. Are you aware that reality is all sorts of imperfect and there will ALWAYS be corruption in political parties?

    2. Are you aware that for the foreseeable future, and most likely for the remainder of your life, you will have Dems or Repubs in control?

    So with those in mind, what good do you think it does to whine about a party having corruption when all parties will always have corruption and it's our duty to make the best decision within that reality? Such as making sure the WAY, WAY, WAY less corrupt party is in control and not the WAY, WAY, WAY more corrupt party.

    Blaming the voters.

    Why wouldn't they be to blame? How do you think the president and members of Congress got there? We live in a nation that willingly elected a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who ran a fraudulent university and charity and already had one massively failed presidency under his belt. Not to mention the open bigotry and obviously low IQ.

    This IS a country full of child-like adults, and our government is a testament to that. Of course voters are to blame. We made this happen.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The person you are responding to was probably still breast feeding during Obama's presidency. So they're likely completely unaware that before Obamacare millions of people just didn't have healthcare and that Obama had to fight like hell with Republicans just to get it done.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Dont argue with me. Go argue with history ....

    117th Congress (2021–2023): Democrats gained control of the Senate (via Georgia runoffs) and held the House, paired with President Biden's election. The 4-Year Period: This 4-year stretch saw shifting majorities in the Senate, but the Democratic caucus maintained a working majority to control the legislative agenda from 2021-2023, while holding the House from 2019-2023, marking a four-year tenure of overall legislative

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You said they had the house, senate, AND presidency for 4+ years. The house yes, presidency yes, senate no. Nothing becomes law without the senate. Your claim was not accurate.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Argue with Google. Not me. Biden had the house and senate.

    You sound like AI.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Do you remember Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema? Remember how they kind of held up everything?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why weren't they censured? Everything plays out EXACTLY like big business wants it. If you dont understand that corporations have nearly ful control of politics then we have nothing to discuss. Here is the summary ... both sides bow down to billionaires and corporations.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Sure rotating villain and all that. Yes generally both sides serve their corporate rulers, but the progressives still caucus with Democrats, so they're slightly better and should always be voted for if the alternative is literal fascists. FPTP is the main problem in the electoral process.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You are responding to someone who doesn't do his homework and who is being upvoted by other people who do not do their homework.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    You literally said dems havent had the House, Senate, and presidency ... then posted the Biden era where he had the house, senate, and pres. You are acting and posting like AI.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    Both sides are bad

    Cool observation. Here's a smiley face sticker and a lollipop.

    Here's another observation.

    Both sides are NOT the same.

    So, in a system where you WILL get one or the other for the foreseeable future, what would you consider to be the intelligent thing to do?

    Also, you are wrong. Democrats haven't held a trifecta for 4+ years since the 1960s. In recent memory their control has only lasted 2-3 years at a time, and you've also failed to take into account that many things require a supermajority in Congress to enact and Dem's total control has typically been by a very thin margin.

    Key Periods of Unified Democratic Control (White House + Senate + House):

    2021–2023 (117th Congress): President Joe Biden, with narrow House and Senate majorities.

    2009–2011 (111th Congress): President Barack Obama, passing the Affordable Care Act.

    1993–1995 (103rd Congress): President Bill Clinton’s first two years.

    1961–1969 (87th–90th Congresses): Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.

    1933–1947 (73rd–79th Congresses): President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the start of Truman’s term.

    Where is that Healthcare?

    When I was young and broke Obama, during one of those windows of control, gave me affordable healthcare when I had none and he had to fight tooth and nail with Republicans to get it.

    You really need to do your homework before you post things on the internet that other people who don't do their homework will just accept as fact. It really doesn't help our situation.

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