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I have a sense that what you’re calling “relations” might not be entirely different from what I’m pointing to — even if the framing is different.
Not necessarily the same concept, but perhaps pointing toward something closely related.
In particular, when you describe life in terms of relational structures, I wonder if those relations could be understood not just as interactions within a system, but as something more like intersections of subjectivity.
And if we take that seriously, it might even open up a different way to think about the origin of life itself.
Instead of starting purely from relational processes, perhaps what we call “life” begins at the point where a more fundamental subjectivity and a relationally-formed subjectivity come into contact.
Not as a fixed claim, but as a possible way to reframe the question.
I’d be really interested to hear how that resonates with your perspective.
If you’re interested, I could share a paper that develops a perspective along these lines.
I’d be very curious to hear your honest thoughts on it.
@Laura I'm not sure if I can follow you there - maybe my view on the emergence of "subjectivity as the result of an inside-outside relation" is too technical (e.g., Nick Lane's theories, see talk below), too much subject to information theory (bio-semiotics) or too much general systems theory, e.g., Rosennean (M,R)-systems.
Feel free to share your paper, though :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBiIDwBOqQA
Alright, I’ll share the paper with you.
I’d really appreciate hearing your thoughts on it.
I’ll also take a look at the video you shared and the theories you mentioned, and get back to you with my thoughts as well.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/398757987_The_Removal_of_God_from_Knowledge_How_the_Exclusion_of_Absolute_Subjectivity_Shaped_Modern_Science_and_Its_Limits
@Laura Thanks - I'll read your paper and share my thoughts with you.