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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 12 points 5 months ago (2 children) So what's the user experience like on an alternative OS? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 9 points 5 months ago (3 children) Daily-driving SFOS for 6 years. AMA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Their website has this dishonnest “99€” for their flagship It’s a trap, you need read the fine print to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago I wouldn't go quite that far. It says "Sep 26" on the first page - which already points to some sort of preorder - and when you click on it you are immediately told in the sidebar that the full payment is 649€. But I agree, they could've done it better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Do you use mostly Android apps? I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I'd like to. Most often it does not end well. I preordered the new Jolla phone, but after looking around the app side of things for a while, I cancelled. I'm not switching from Android to "sort of Android" -phone. If (or rather when, as I think it will happen) Google kills F-Droid and other ways to get apps, I will take another look on what's available. Ubuntu Touch maybe, but I understand their browser is also quite old, and that's one thing that should be up to date, at least, in my opinion. Or maybe just a dumb phone, and a separate camera. For maps, maybe a "prices-begin-from" Wahoo for finding routes. Sure, this approach will cost more, take more space, but I'm not going to go into the walled garden of Google or Apple. About Jolla and SailfishOS, I am no expert. I ended up cancelling knowing that if I change my mind I will have to pay a lot of extra. Anyway, for the moment I am happy with my decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 5 months ago Do you use mostly Android apps? No. ls -1 /usr/share/applications/ Pacpac.desktop csd.desktop fingerterm.desktop google-maps-geo-handler.desktop harbour-2048.desktop harbour-allradio2.desktop harbour-android-offline.desktop harbour-barcode.desktop harbour-colortubes.desktop harbour-crest.desktop harbour-fbreader.desktop harbour-file-browser.desktop harbour-fivinarow.desktop harbour-heebo.desktop harbour-ieligimage.desktop harbour-ieligweb.desktop harbour-lonewolf.desktop harbour-meecast.desktop harbour-molecules.desktop harbour-org.gpodder.sailfish.desktop harbour-osmscout.desktop harbour-ownkeepass.desktop harbour-paketti.desktop harbour-patience-deck.desktop harbour-pipes.desktop harbour-pure-maps-uri-handler.desktop harbour-pure-maps.desktop harbour-qml2048.desktop harbour-sailpipe.desktop harbour-sailtrix.desktop harbour-sailtube-open-url.desktop harbour-sailtube.desktop harbour-sailtuner.desktop harbour-seabass.desktop harbour-sfos-forum-viewer.desktop harbour-simplemahjong.desktop harbour-sshazam.desktop harbour-storeman.desktop harbour-stppc.desktop harbour-talefish.desktop harbour-taot.desktop harbour-wireshark.desktop harbour-wordle.desktop hosts-block-add-to-blacklist.desktop hosts-block-add-to-whitelist.desktop jolla-calculator.desktop jolla-calendar.desktop jolla-camera-lockscreen.desktop jolla-camera-viewfinder.desktop jolla-camera.desktop jolla-clock.desktop jolla-contacts.desktop jolla-email.desktop jolla-gallery.desktop jolla-mediaplayer.desktop jolla-messages.desktop jolla-notes.desktop jolla-settings.desktop l2tp-import.desktop mimeinfo.cache new-mail.desktop openconnect-import.desktop openrepos-books.desktop openstreetmap-geo-handler.desktop org.kde.angelfish.desktop ovpn-import.desktop pptp-import.desktop qCommand.desktop qt-runner.desktop quaeditor.desktop retroarch.desktop sailfish-archive.desktop sailfish-audiorecorder.desktop sailfish-browser.desktop sailfish-captiveportal.desktop sailfish-installationhandler.desktop sailfish-office.desktop sailfish-share.desktop sailfish-tutorial.desktop sailfishos-chum-gui.desktop simkit.desktop store-client.desktop systemdatascope.desktop uk.co.piggz.harbour-supersonik.desktop voicecall-ui.desktop vpnc-import.desktop webcal-import.desktop wheelmap-geo-handler.desktop wireshark.desktop None of those is Android (but not all are actual "apps"). I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. I wouldn't say ancient; it's based on FF ESR98 or so's embedlite. But yeah, this is a topic of much discontent. Natively, it's relatively easy to install Angelfish (KDE) based on a much more timely webkit. Via Android appsupport many current browsers are available. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. It's one of their main selling points, but native apps are definitely abundant. There's the offical store, which does not have a browsable web frontend, and 2 unofficial stores: https://openrepos.net/ and https://sailfishos-chum.github.io/. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I’d like to. Most often it does not end well. I understand, but it has been going well since 2013. IMO the closed source thing is historical: they are the heirs of Nokia's Linux-based OSs. But slowly they are opensourcing parts of the OS. Ultimately, this is a European company I can trust. The devs are active on the forum, too. BTW, it is still and always will be possible to download & install SFOS on your own device, for €0. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 5 months ago Don't have a question, but I feel I might be joining you, no matter how janky it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) Graphene has been great for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah but what's it like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Its like using Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Oh, neat! Can you use the play store? Can you install apks from github? Can you use launchers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Cool, thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Seconded. Been rocking GrapheneOS since the Pixel 4 XL (my goat minus the bloated battery issue), the Pixel 6 Pro (which sucked as a phone since it uses Google's shit-tier Tensor modem), then Pixel 8 Pro (which seems to have a better Tensor chip, though still not great in some areas for cell reception). All the banking apps I use work flawlessly on Graphene. Of course, payment/wallet apps won't work, and I've only had two experiences where that bit me in the ass (attending concerts and needing to open a ticket in a wallet app I couldn't even use). The added security features are top notch. Being able to set a duress password definitely helps in case I'm ever in a situation where I'm forced by a pig to unlock my phone, and setting multiple profiles on my phone helps so much with compartmentalization. Would I prefer if Graphene were on a different phone? Fuck yes, which is why as soon as the Motorola partnership produces a phone (with Qualcomm Snapdragon hopefully), I'm jumping the Pixel ship and never looking back. Hoping that's just the beginning for Graphene being ported to other phones, though I feel it's gonna be like pulling teeth with these other phone manufacturers (like FairPhone). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 9 points 5 months ago (3 children) Daily-driving SFOS for 6 years. AMA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Their website has this dishonnest “99€” for their flagship It’s a trap, you need read the fine print to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago I wouldn't go quite that far. It says "Sep 26" on the first page - which already points to some sort of preorder - and when you click on it you are immediately told in the sidebar that the full payment is 649€. But I agree, they could've done it better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Do you use mostly Android apps? I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I'd like to. Most often it does not end well. I preordered the new Jolla phone, but after looking around the app side of things for a while, I cancelled. I'm not switching from Android to "sort of Android" -phone. If (or rather when, as I think it will happen) Google kills F-Droid and other ways to get apps, I will take another look on what's available. Ubuntu Touch maybe, but I understand their browser is also quite old, and that's one thing that should be up to date, at least, in my opinion. Or maybe just a dumb phone, and a separate camera. For maps, maybe a "prices-begin-from" Wahoo for finding routes. Sure, this approach will cost more, take more space, but I'm not going to go into the walled garden of Google or Apple. About Jolla and SailfishOS, I am no expert. I ended up cancelling knowing that if I change my mind I will have to pay a lot of extra. Anyway, for the moment I am happy with my decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 5 months ago Do you use mostly Android apps? No. ls -1 /usr/share/applications/ Pacpac.desktop csd.desktop fingerterm.desktop google-maps-geo-handler.desktop harbour-2048.desktop harbour-allradio2.desktop harbour-android-offline.desktop harbour-barcode.desktop harbour-colortubes.desktop harbour-crest.desktop harbour-fbreader.desktop harbour-file-browser.desktop harbour-fivinarow.desktop harbour-heebo.desktop harbour-ieligimage.desktop harbour-ieligweb.desktop harbour-lonewolf.desktop harbour-meecast.desktop harbour-molecules.desktop harbour-org.gpodder.sailfish.desktop harbour-osmscout.desktop harbour-ownkeepass.desktop harbour-paketti.desktop harbour-patience-deck.desktop harbour-pipes.desktop harbour-pure-maps-uri-handler.desktop harbour-pure-maps.desktop harbour-qml2048.desktop harbour-sailpipe.desktop harbour-sailtrix.desktop harbour-sailtube-open-url.desktop harbour-sailtube.desktop harbour-sailtuner.desktop harbour-seabass.desktop harbour-sfos-forum-viewer.desktop harbour-simplemahjong.desktop harbour-sshazam.desktop harbour-storeman.desktop harbour-stppc.desktop harbour-talefish.desktop harbour-taot.desktop harbour-wireshark.desktop harbour-wordle.desktop hosts-block-add-to-blacklist.desktop hosts-block-add-to-whitelist.desktop jolla-calculator.desktop jolla-calendar.desktop jolla-camera-lockscreen.desktop jolla-camera-viewfinder.desktop jolla-camera.desktop jolla-clock.desktop jolla-contacts.desktop jolla-email.desktop jolla-gallery.desktop jolla-mediaplayer.desktop jolla-messages.desktop jolla-notes.desktop jolla-settings.desktop l2tp-import.desktop mimeinfo.cache new-mail.desktop openconnect-import.desktop openrepos-books.desktop openstreetmap-geo-handler.desktop org.kde.angelfish.desktop ovpn-import.desktop pptp-import.desktop qCommand.desktop qt-runner.desktop quaeditor.desktop retroarch.desktop sailfish-archive.desktop sailfish-audiorecorder.desktop sailfish-browser.desktop sailfish-captiveportal.desktop sailfish-installationhandler.desktop sailfish-office.desktop sailfish-share.desktop sailfish-tutorial.desktop sailfishos-chum-gui.desktop simkit.desktop store-client.desktop systemdatascope.desktop uk.co.piggz.harbour-supersonik.desktop voicecall-ui.desktop vpnc-import.desktop webcal-import.desktop wheelmap-geo-handler.desktop wireshark.desktop None of those is Android (but not all are actual "apps"). I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. I wouldn't say ancient; it's based on FF ESR98 or so's embedlite. But yeah, this is a topic of much discontent. Natively, it's relatively easy to install Angelfish (KDE) based on a much more timely webkit. Via Android appsupport many current browsers are available. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. It's one of their main selling points, but native apps are definitely abundant. There's the offical store, which does not have a browsable web frontend, and 2 unofficial stores: https://openrepos.net/ and https://sailfishos-chum.github.io/. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I’d like to. Most often it does not end well. I understand, but it has been going well since 2013. IMO the closed source thing is historical: they are the heirs of Nokia's Linux-based OSs. But slowly they are opensourcing parts of the OS. Ultimately, this is a European company I can trust. The devs are active on the forum, too. BTW, it is still and always will be possible to download & install SFOS on your own device, for €0. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 5 months ago Don't have a question, but I feel I might be joining you, no matter how janky it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Their website has this dishonnest “99€” for their flagship It’s a trap, you need read the fine print to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago I wouldn't go quite that far. It says "Sep 26" on the first page - which already points to some sort of preorder - and when you click on it you are immediately told in the sidebar that the full payment is 649€. But I agree, they could've done it better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago I wouldn't go quite that far. It says "Sep 26" on the first page - which already points to some sort of preorder - and when you click on it you are immediately told in the sidebar that the full payment is 649€. But I agree, they could've done it better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Do you use mostly Android apps? I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I'd like to. Most often it does not end well. I preordered the new Jolla phone, but after looking around the app side of things for a while, I cancelled. I'm not switching from Android to "sort of Android" -phone. If (or rather when, as I think it will happen) Google kills F-Droid and other ways to get apps, I will take another look on what's available. Ubuntu Touch maybe, but I understand their browser is also quite old, and that's one thing that should be up to date, at least, in my opinion. Or maybe just a dumb phone, and a separate camera. For maps, maybe a "prices-begin-from" Wahoo for finding routes. Sure, this approach will cost more, take more space, but I'm not going to go into the walled garden of Google or Apple. About Jolla and SailfishOS, I am no expert. I ended up cancelling knowing that if I change my mind I will have to pay a lot of extra. Anyway, for the moment I am happy with my decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 5 months ago Do you use mostly Android apps? No. ls -1 /usr/share/applications/ Pacpac.desktop csd.desktop fingerterm.desktop google-maps-geo-handler.desktop harbour-2048.desktop harbour-allradio2.desktop harbour-android-offline.desktop harbour-barcode.desktop harbour-colortubes.desktop harbour-crest.desktop harbour-fbreader.desktop harbour-file-browser.desktop harbour-fivinarow.desktop harbour-heebo.desktop harbour-ieligimage.desktop harbour-ieligweb.desktop harbour-lonewolf.desktop harbour-meecast.desktop harbour-molecules.desktop harbour-org.gpodder.sailfish.desktop harbour-osmscout.desktop harbour-ownkeepass.desktop harbour-paketti.desktop harbour-patience-deck.desktop harbour-pipes.desktop harbour-pure-maps-uri-handler.desktop harbour-pure-maps.desktop harbour-qml2048.desktop harbour-sailpipe.desktop harbour-sailtrix.desktop harbour-sailtube-open-url.desktop harbour-sailtube.desktop harbour-sailtuner.desktop harbour-seabass.desktop harbour-sfos-forum-viewer.desktop harbour-simplemahjong.desktop harbour-sshazam.desktop harbour-storeman.desktop harbour-stppc.desktop harbour-talefish.desktop harbour-taot.desktop harbour-wireshark.desktop harbour-wordle.desktop hosts-block-add-to-blacklist.desktop hosts-block-add-to-whitelist.desktop jolla-calculator.desktop jolla-calendar.desktop jolla-camera-lockscreen.desktop jolla-camera-viewfinder.desktop jolla-camera.desktop jolla-clock.desktop jolla-contacts.desktop jolla-email.desktop jolla-gallery.desktop jolla-mediaplayer.desktop jolla-messages.desktop jolla-notes.desktop jolla-settings.desktop l2tp-import.desktop mimeinfo.cache new-mail.desktop openconnect-import.desktop openrepos-books.desktop openstreetmap-geo-handler.desktop org.kde.angelfish.desktop ovpn-import.desktop pptp-import.desktop qCommand.desktop qt-runner.desktop quaeditor.desktop retroarch.desktop sailfish-archive.desktop sailfish-audiorecorder.desktop sailfish-browser.desktop sailfish-captiveportal.desktop sailfish-installationhandler.desktop sailfish-office.desktop sailfish-share.desktop sailfish-tutorial.desktop sailfishos-chum-gui.desktop simkit.desktop store-client.desktop systemdatascope.desktop uk.co.piggz.harbour-supersonik.desktop voicecall-ui.desktop vpnc-import.desktop webcal-import.desktop wheelmap-geo-handler.desktop wireshark.desktop None of those is Android (but not all are actual "apps"). I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. I wouldn't say ancient; it's based on FF ESR98 or so's embedlite. But yeah, this is a topic of much discontent. Natively, it's relatively easy to install Angelfish (KDE) based on a much more timely webkit. Via Android appsupport many current browsers are available. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. It's one of their main selling points, but native apps are definitely abundant. There's the offical store, which does not have a browsable web frontend, and 2 unofficial stores: https://openrepos.net/ and https://sailfishos-chum.github.io/. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I’d like to. Most often it does not end well. I understand, but it has been going well since 2013. IMO the closed source thing is historical: they are the heirs of Nokia's Linux-based OSs. But slowly they are opensourcing parts of the OS. Ultimately, this is a European company I can trust. The devs are active on the forum, too. BTW, it is still and always will be possible to download & install SFOS on your own device, for €0. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 5 months ago Do you use mostly Android apps? No. ls -1 /usr/share/applications/ Pacpac.desktop csd.desktop fingerterm.desktop google-maps-geo-handler.desktop harbour-2048.desktop harbour-allradio2.desktop harbour-android-offline.desktop harbour-barcode.desktop harbour-colortubes.desktop harbour-crest.desktop harbour-fbreader.desktop harbour-file-browser.desktop harbour-fivinarow.desktop harbour-heebo.desktop harbour-ieligimage.desktop harbour-ieligweb.desktop harbour-lonewolf.desktop harbour-meecast.desktop harbour-molecules.desktop harbour-org.gpodder.sailfish.desktop harbour-osmscout.desktop harbour-ownkeepass.desktop harbour-paketti.desktop harbour-patience-deck.desktop harbour-pipes.desktop harbour-pure-maps-uri-handler.desktop harbour-pure-maps.desktop harbour-qml2048.desktop harbour-sailpipe.desktop harbour-sailtrix.desktop harbour-sailtube-open-url.desktop harbour-sailtube.desktop harbour-sailtuner.desktop harbour-seabass.desktop harbour-sfos-forum-viewer.desktop harbour-simplemahjong.desktop harbour-sshazam.desktop harbour-storeman.desktop harbour-stppc.desktop harbour-talefish.desktop harbour-taot.desktop harbour-wireshark.desktop harbour-wordle.desktop hosts-block-add-to-blacklist.desktop hosts-block-add-to-whitelist.desktop jolla-calculator.desktop jolla-calendar.desktop jolla-camera-lockscreen.desktop jolla-camera-viewfinder.desktop jolla-camera.desktop jolla-clock.desktop jolla-contacts.desktop jolla-email.desktop jolla-gallery.desktop jolla-mediaplayer.desktop jolla-messages.desktop jolla-notes.desktop jolla-settings.desktop l2tp-import.desktop mimeinfo.cache new-mail.desktop openconnect-import.desktop openrepos-books.desktop openstreetmap-geo-handler.desktop org.kde.angelfish.desktop ovpn-import.desktop pptp-import.desktop qCommand.desktop qt-runner.desktop quaeditor.desktop retroarch.desktop sailfish-archive.desktop sailfish-audiorecorder.desktop sailfish-browser.desktop sailfish-captiveportal.desktop sailfish-installationhandler.desktop sailfish-office.desktop sailfish-share.desktop sailfish-tutorial.desktop sailfishos-chum-gui.desktop simkit.desktop store-client.desktop systemdatascope.desktop uk.co.piggz.harbour-supersonik.desktop voicecall-ui.desktop vpnc-import.desktop webcal-import.desktop wheelmap-geo-handler.desktop wireshark.desktop None of those is Android (but not all are actual "apps"). I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. I wouldn't say ancient; it's based on FF ESR98 or so's embedlite. But yeah, this is a topic of much discontent. Natively, it's relatively easy to install Angelfish (KDE) based on a much more timely webkit. Via Android appsupport many current browsers are available. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. It's one of their main selling points, but native apps are definitely abundant. There's the offical store, which does not have a browsable web frontend, and 2 unofficial stores: https://openrepos.net/ and https://sailfishos-chum.github.io/. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I’d like to. Most often it does not end well. I understand, but it has been going well since 2013. IMO the closed source thing is historical: they are the heirs of Nokia's Linux-based OSs. But slowly they are opensourcing parts of the OS. Ultimately, this is a European company I can trust. The devs are active on the forum, too. BTW, it is still and always will be possible to download & install SFOS on your own device, for €0. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 5 months ago Don't have a question, but I feel I might be joining you, no matter how janky it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) Graphene has been great for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah but what's it like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Its like using Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Oh, neat! Can you use the play store? Can you install apks from github? Can you use launchers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Cool, thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Seconded. Been rocking GrapheneOS since the Pixel 4 XL (my goat minus the bloated battery issue), the Pixel 6 Pro (which sucked as a phone since it uses Google's shit-tier Tensor modem), then Pixel 8 Pro (which seems to have a better Tensor chip, though still not great in some areas for cell reception). All the banking apps I use work flawlessly on Graphene. Of course, payment/wallet apps won't work, and I've only had two experiences where that bit me in the ass (attending concerts and needing to open a ticket in a wallet app I couldn't even use). The added security features are top notch. Being able to set a duress password definitely helps in case I'm ever in a situation where I'm forced by a pig to unlock my phone, and setting multiple profiles on my phone helps so much with compartmentalization. Would I prefer if Graphene were on a different phone? Fuck yes, which is why as soon as the Motorola partnership produces a phone (with Qualcomm Snapdragon hopefully), I'm jumping the Pixel ship and never looking back. Hoping that's just the beginning for Graphene being ported to other phones, though I feel it's gonna be like pulling teeth with these other phone manufacturers (like FairPhone). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah but what's it like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Its like using Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Oh, neat! Can you use the play store? Can you install apks from github? Can you use launchers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Cool, thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Its like using Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Oh, neat! Can you use the play store? Can you install apks from github? Can you use launchers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Cool, thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Oh, neat! Can you use the play store? Can you install apks from github? Can you use launchers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Cool, thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Cool, thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Can you use banking apps, Google wallet, Google pay (or other NFC payments)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago I could use banking apps yes, there is a resource on the grapheneOS forums. Wallet, pay are not working, iirc. Don't use graphene anymore since i don't have a pixel anymore permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Cool, thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to configure gps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago Thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Seconded. Been rocking GrapheneOS since the Pixel 4 XL (my goat minus the bloated battery issue), the Pixel 6 Pro (which sucked as a phone since it uses Google's shit-tier Tensor modem), then Pixel 8 Pro (which seems to have a better Tensor chip, though still not great in some areas for cell reception). All the banking apps I use work flawlessly on Graphene. Of course, payment/wallet apps won't work, and I've only had two experiences where that bit me in the ass (attending concerts and needing to open a ticket in a wallet app I couldn't even use). The added security features are top notch. Being able to set a duress password definitely helps in case I'm ever in a situation where I'm forced by a pig to unlock my phone, and setting multiple profiles on my phone helps so much with compartmentalization. Would I prefer if Graphene were on a different phone? Fuck yes, which is why as soon as the Motorola partnership produces a phone (with Qualcomm Snapdragon hopefully), I'm jumping the Pixel ship and never looking back. Hoping that's just the beginning for Graphene being ported to other phones, though I feel it's gonna be like pulling teeth with these other phone manufacturers (like FairPhone). permalink fedilink source parent