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[–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So what's the user experience like on an alternative OS?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Daily-driving SFOS for 6 years. AMA.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Their website has this dishonnest “99€” for their flagship

    It’s a trap, you need read the fine print to find out

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Do you use mostly Android apps?

    I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I'd like to. Most often it does not end well.

    I preordered the new Jolla phone, but after looking around the app side of things for a while, I cancelled. I'm not switching from Android to "sort of Android" -phone. If (or rather when, as I think it will happen) Google kills F-Droid and other ways to get apps, I will take another look on what's available. Ubuntu Touch maybe, but I understand their browser is also quite old, and that's one thing that should be up to date, at least, in my opinion. Or maybe just a dumb phone, and a separate camera. For maps, maybe a "prices-begin-from" Wahoo for finding routes. Sure, this approach will cost more, take more space, but I'm not going to go into the walled garden of Google or Apple.

    About Jolla and SailfishOS, I am no expert. I ended up cancelling knowing that if I change my mind I will have to pay a lot of extra. Anyway, for the moment I am happy with my decision.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Do you use mostly Android apps?

    No.

    ls -1 /usr/share/applications/
    Pacpac.desktop
    csd.desktop
    fingerterm.desktop
    google-maps-geo-handler.desktop
    harbour-2048.desktop
    harbour-allradio2.desktop
    harbour-android-offline.desktop
    harbour-barcode.desktop
    harbour-colortubes.desktop
    harbour-crest.desktop
    harbour-fbreader.desktop
    harbour-file-browser.desktop
    harbour-fivinarow.desktop
    harbour-heebo.desktop
    harbour-ieligimage.desktop
    harbour-ieligweb.desktop
    harbour-lonewolf.desktop
    harbour-meecast.desktop
    harbour-molecules.desktop
    harbour-org.gpodder.sailfish.desktop
    harbour-osmscout.desktop
    harbour-ownkeepass.desktop
    harbour-paketti.desktop
    harbour-patience-deck.desktop
    harbour-pipes.desktop
    harbour-pure-maps-uri-handler.desktop
    harbour-pure-maps.desktop
    harbour-qml2048.desktop
    harbour-sailpipe.desktop
    harbour-sailtrix.desktop
    harbour-sailtube-open-url.desktop
    harbour-sailtube.desktop
    harbour-sailtuner.desktop
    harbour-seabass.desktop
    harbour-sfos-forum-viewer.desktop
    harbour-simplemahjong.desktop
    harbour-sshazam.desktop
    harbour-storeman.desktop
    harbour-stppc.desktop
    harbour-talefish.desktop
    harbour-taot.desktop
    harbour-wireshark.desktop
    harbour-wordle.desktop
    hosts-block-add-to-blacklist.desktop
    hosts-block-add-to-whitelist.desktop
    jolla-calculator.desktop
    jolla-calendar.desktop
    jolla-camera-lockscreen.desktop
    jolla-camera-viewfinder.desktop
    jolla-camera.desktop
    jolla-clock.desktop
    jolla-contacts.desktop
    jolla-email.desktop
    jolla-gallery.desktop
    jolla-mediaplayer.desktop
    jolla-messages.desktop
    jolla-notes.desktop
    jolla-settings.desktop
    l2tp-import.desktop
    mimeinfo.cache
    new-mail.desktop
    openconnect-import.desktop
    openrepos-books.desktop
    openstreetmap-geo-handler.desktop
    org.kde.angelfish.desktop
    ovpn-import.desktop
    pptp-import.desktop
    qCommand.desktop
    qt-runner.desktop
    quaeditor.desktop
    retroarch.desktop
    sailfish-archive.desktop
    sailfish-audiorecorder.desktop
    sailfish-browser.desktop
    sailfish-captiveportal.desktop
    sailfish-installationhandler.desktop
    sailfish-office.desktop
    sailfish-share.desktop
    sailfish-tutorial.desktop
    sailfishos-chum-gui.desktop
    simkit.desktop
    store-client.desktop
    systemdatascope.desktop
    uk.co.piggz.harbour-supersonik.desktop
    voicecall-ui.desktop
    vpnc-import.desktop
    webcal-import.desktop
    wheelmap-geo-handler.desktop
    wireshark.desktop
    

    None of those is Android (but not all are actual "apps").

    I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork.

    I wouldn't say ancient; it's based on FF ESR98 or so's embedlite. But yeah, this is a topic of much discontent. Natively, it's relatively easy to install Angelfish (KDE) based on a much more timely webkit. Via Android appsupport many current browsers are available.

    There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility.

    It's one of their main selling points, but native apps are definitely abundant. There's the offical store, which does not have a browsable web frontend, and 2 unofficial stores: https://openrepos.net/ and https://sailfishos-chum.github.io/.

    SailfishOS also has more closed source than I’d like to. Most often it does not end well.

    I understand, but it has been going well since 2013. IMO the closed source thing is historical: they are the heirs of Nokia's Linux-based OSs. But slowly they are opensourcing parts of the OS.

    Ultimately, this is a European company I can trust. The devs are active on the forum, too.

    BTW, it is still and always will be possible to download & install SFOS on your own device, for €0.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Graphene has been great for me.

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    Oh, neat!

    Can you use the play store? Can you install apks from github? Can you use launchers?

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    The only thing that was not working as well for me was GPS, but that was probably my own fault, i maybe misconfigured something.

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    No, but it might not be as good as one might expect out of the box. In most implementations of gps, location accuracy and latency is helped with additional methods, like your phone using its distance to various cell towers to figure out where it is. Features like this can come with privacy issues, which for Graphene is a higher priority issue than slightly worse navigation. You can of course go into location settings and enable all that, just make sure to read the added disclaimers as they go into more detail.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Seconded. Been rocking GrapheneOS since the Pixel 4 XL (my goat minus the bloated battery issue), the Pixel 6 Pro (which sucked as a phone since it uses Google's shit-tier Tensor modem), then Pixel 8 Pro (which seems to have a better Tensor chip, though still not great in some areas for cell reception).

    All the banking apps I use work flawlessly on Graphene. Of course, payment/wallet apps won't work, and I've only had two experiences where that bit me in the ass (attending concerts and needing to open a ticket in a wallet app I couldn't even use).

    The added security features are top notch. Being able to set a duress password definitely helps in case I'm ever in a situation where I'm forced by a pig to unlock my phone, and setting multiple profiles on my phone helps so much with compartmentalization.

    Would I prefer if Graphene were on a different phone? Fuck yes, which is why as soon as the Motorola partnership produces a phone (with Qualcomm Snapdragon hopefully), I'm jumping the Pixel ship and never looking back. Hoping that's just the beginning for Graphene being ported to other phones, though I feel it's gonna be like pulling teeth with these other phone manufacturers (like FairPhone).

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