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The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.”

Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.

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[-] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

Absolutely hilarious how you continue to claim this even after I've already linked you a bunch of articles showing that industry in the EU is collapsing

You show me some doomer articles from right wing press like they are a slam dunk while I base my figures on actual GDP figures and statistics based on the EUs and Russia's published financial reports. These two things are not the same, I have not seen any real evidence of EU industry collapsing, you are just a massive drama queen who believes every article they read.

Russia has also not replaced EU companies with domestic industry, they have switched to Chinese products further increasing their dependency on China.

NATO is increasing its weapon output but we are not under pressure to do so as we are not at war. Russia meanwhile drives ladas to the front line with no care for protecting their troops while Ukraine uses MRAPS. For all of Russia's supposed increase in production it is not evident on the front lines. More Russian fluff and lies.

Russia is very obviously not dependent on China the way you are dependent on the US because Russia produces its own necessities such as food and energy

Russia's dependency on China is existential, for the war effort and Putin regime anyway. If China withdrew support tomorrow, the Russian war effort would collapse. Russia is not an industrial or manufacturing power and could in no way support their war effort without China. Food and energy are not the only things an army needs.

That's cute, now compare that with the US.

Always with the whataboutery with you guys isn't it.

Meanwhile, in the real world

Further emphasising Russia's dependence on China and vassal status.

I get my information from mainstream western media which, if you actually follow it, clearly explains that Russia is steadily making progress in Ukraine,

This explains why you think the way you do. If that is where you get your information you are weeks behind and are likely unaware of Ukraine's recent improvements in drone range and tactics that are destroying Russian logistics. Ukraine are the ones taking land now as Russia attempts to recruit more Kenyan mercenaries. Why does the Russian regime keep on turning off the internet in Moscow? This doesn't sound like something the winning side would be doing. Putin seems worried...

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

You show me some doomer articles from right wing press like they are a slam dunk while I base my figures on actual GDP figures and statistics based on the EUs and Russia’s published financial reports. These two things are not the same, I have not seen any real evidence of EU industry collapsing, you are just a massive drama queen who believes every article they read.

I showed you articles from mainstream financial publications. You dismiss them without addressing anything they say, and then in the next breath tell me that Russian economy is collapsing because some telegram channel told you so. The fact that you don't understand this is clown behavior is really phenomenal.

Russia has also not replaced EU companies with domestic industry, they have switched to Chinese products further increasing their dependency on China.

Yes they have, and you'd know this if you actually bothered reading the WaPo article I linked you earlier. You're once again projecting here because it's actually the EU that's further increasing its dependency on the US as European industries flee to the US due to high energy costs in Europe. That's what Biden's Inflation Act was all about incidentally. Trump's tariffs, which EU bent over for immediately, only made the whole thing worse.

NATO is increasing its weapon output but we are not under pressure to do so as we are not at war.

Literally every article in mainstream western media says that NATO is failing to increase its output, and obviously it is in a proxy war in Russia. The only reason Ukraine is able to keep fighting is because NATO is pouring hundreds of billions of resources taken from its own people into it every single year. That's why the standard of living in the west is now collapsing. That's why you dumb fucks have austerity so you can pay 5% of your GDP to NATO.

For all of Russia’s supposed increase in production it is not evident on the front lines. More Russian fluff and lies.

You keep on coping there dronie. Again, mainstream western media disagrees with your delusions. Here's the reality of Ukraine. The AFU is running out of manpower, and it should be obvious to anybody who didn't fail grade school math that Russia has a huge advantage here. Meanwhile, the west is now unable to continue supplying weapons at the rate it has been, especially now that Iran chocked off oil. And of course, since you keep braying about the economy. Why don't we talk about the fact that Ukraine requires $160 billion in external financing is required through 2028 to cover budget deficits, which peak at $103 billion in 2026 for defense alone. That's money coming from the pockets of mouth breathers such as yourself.

Always with the whataboutery with you guys isn’t it.

I mean we're literally comparing the situation of the two sides of the conflict here. The question is who will last longer. And since you keep screeching that Russian economy is collapsing because of military spending, we have to put that in the context of US military spending with the US being the main military sponsor of the proxy. Let me know if you need this explained to you using smaller words.

Further emphasising Russia’s dependence on China and vassal status.

It's called trade, but I guess it's difficult for somebody living in a vassal state to understand how trade between two countries works without one being taken advantage of.

This explains why you think the way you do. If that is where you get your information you are weeks behind and are likely unaware of Ukraine’s recent improvements in drone range and tactics that are destroying Russian logistics.

Weird how it's the Ukrainians that incessantly complain about Russian drones destroying their infrastructure at scale with Russia producing drones at an industrial scale while Ukraine has artisanal workshops. Again, anybody with even a couple of brain cells to bang together would understand who has the advantage here. Not to mention the destruction of most of Ukraine's energy production which obviously affects industrial production which needs energy.

Ukraine are the ones taking land now as Russia attempts to recruit more Kenyan mercenaries.

Go read up what a war of attrition is so you don't keep making a clown of yourself. This is frankly embarrassing.

Why does the Russian regime keep on turning off the internet in Moscow?

Why do European regimes ban Russian media and want to personally identify you all online? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing. Kid Starver seems worried…

[-] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago

I showed you articles from mainstream financial publications. You dismiss them without addressing anything they say, and then in the next breath tell me that Russian economy is collapsing because some telegram channel told you so.

Mainstream financial publications like the cccp owned Global Times News. That's state propaganda bud, sure you guys can't even tell the difference. All of the financial information I gave you, like Russia's M2 situation are from respected economic information aggregators, the Russian telegram channels just tell me how badly Russia is currently doing on the front line. You seem to be getting confused.

Literally every article in mainstream western media says that

This is likely your problem, the mainstream media is brain rot, nobody reads it anymore which is why they are not doing well financially. I also dislike when people use "literally" when it is not appropriate in the sentence. It makes me feel like I'm talking to a poorly educated teenager.

The only reason Ukraine is able to keep fighting is because NATO is pouring hundreds of billions of resources taken from its own people into it every single year. That's why the standard of living in the west is now collapsing

Financing Ukraine in this war is a drop in the economic bucket, remember the EU economy is 10 times the size of the Russian one. If it is hurting the EU imagine what it's doing to Russia. There are other reasons for the sluggish EU growth but this is not the forum for that.

Again, mainstream western media disagrees with your delusions.

Again with your mainstream media, you need to get off Fox news grandpa and get with the 21st century.

That's money coming from the pockets of mouth breathers such as yourself.

I will pay it happily if it keeps the Russian hordes in Mordor. On a more positive note I have found my European holidays more enjoyable for the same reason.

The first of the linked sites you posted, ukrainewarlosses.org was interesting, it seems very similar to the more official .com version but when I looked into it's ownership I could not find it, seems very sketchy. You should be more careful about the sources you chose to post, unverified slop like this site makes you look like a bad actor.

You then seem to think that Russia won't collapse because America spends more money than Russia on defence. I fail to see the logic here, you promised to explain it to me using smaller words. It appears to me that you do t understand the fundamental differences in the size and scale of the US economy and the benefits of possessing the world reserve currency. The USA are also only spending about 3% of GDP on this war compared with Russia's 8%. ( This is discounting the credit Russian banks have extended to the military industrial complex on the orders of Putin as an "off books" method to finance the war.)

It's called trade, but I guess it's difficult for somebody living in a vassal state to understand how trade between two countries works without one being taken advantage of.

China is by far the bigger player in Sino-Russian relations. Russia is also in a desperate starting position of having no other option when trading due to the richer half of the world sanctioning and not wanting to do business with them. If you do not believe that China will take advantage of this situation you are hopelessly naïve. Check out how the negotiations are going over the pipeline going to China, not good for Russia. In economics, in order to achieve the best price it is always favourable to have many customers competing for your product, not one big customer who can dictate terms to you.

Go read up what a war of attrition is so you don't keep making a clown of yourself.

Ah so a war of attrition is one where Russia struggles to take ground against their much smaller neighbor for 4 years while their economy goes down the toilet. I was such a fool, I get it now!

This is just yet another Russian excuse for failure. I used to think that an economic path to victory was Ukraine's only hope but watching them absolutely batter Russia the last few months I'm starting to think Ukraine can beat Russia back to their borders. Ukrainians have a much better and more modern army structure, Ukrainian NCOs can make decisions on the field where the Russian soldiers stand around in large groups like idiots waiting for orders and get cancelled in big groups. Russia is finding it harder to keep what is happening on the front lines a secret so they are running out of voluntary sign up meat.

Why do European regimes ban Russian media and want to personally identify you all online? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side

Russian media ban is because RT is just a propaganda network, why would Europe let Russia beam propaganda in when fighting a proxy war, this is a no brainer and Russia does the exact same thing. You then accuse Europe of wanting to personally identify everyone online, a small group tried and it got voted down and looks unlikely to have a hope of passing. In the meantime we have Russia forcing it's citizens to use Russia Max government app for all payments and communication, messing up the army who use signal and telegram but are now throttled. You can see your projection from the moon dude!

This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing

I know right? This is why Russia is doing it and Ukraine is not, your words homie. I do love our little chats.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago)

Mainstream financial publications like the cccp owned Global Times News.

Yeah, you've been see see pee owned alright. Financial publications like Bloomberg and Financial times. Also, love how you're dumb enough to think your oligarch owned media isn't propaganda bud.

This is likely your problem, the mainstream media is brain rot, nobody reads it anymore which is why they are not doing well financially. I also dislike when people use “literally” when it is not appropriate in the sentence. It makes me feel like I’m talking to a poorly educated teenager.

Yup, them telegram channels sure know better. Also, don't give a shit what an ignoramus likes or dislikes. You're literally clueless.

Financing Ukraine in this war is a drop in the economic bucket, remember the EU economy is 10 times the size of the Russian one. If it is hurting the EU imagine what it’s doing to Russia. There are other reasons for the sluggish EU growth but this is not the forum for that.

Ah yes, that's why the EU is now struggling to approve another 90 billion for the proxy war.

Again with your mainstream media, you need to get off Fox news grandpa and get with the 21st century.

Show me a single fox article I linked lying little shit.

I will pay it happily if it keeps the Russian hordes in Mordor. On a more positive note I have found my European holidays more enjoyable for the same reason.

How to say you're a racist little fash without saying it.

You should be more careful about the sources you chose to post, unverified slop like this site makes you look like a bad actor.

Says the imbecile who gets all his information on telegram.

You then seem to think that Russia won’t collapse because America spends more money than Russia on defence.

Nope, that's just you having reading comprehension of a squirrel on meth. What I actually said was that military spending in Russia accounts for a small part of the overall economy, and that Russian industry has actually been growing to fill the niches left by western companies leaving. I also provided actual sources that aren't telegram channels explaining this.

The USA are also only spending about 3% of GDP on this war

The USA is spending on maintaining over 800 military bases all over the globe, and that sure costs more than 3% of the GDP.

China is by far the bigger player in Sino-Russian relations.

You seem to be under the impression that I think it would be a bad thing for China to have more influence over Russia.

Ah so a war of attrition is one where Russia struggles to take ground against their much smaller neighbor for 4 years while their economy goes down the toilet. I was such a fool, I get it now!

Wars of attrition aren't about taking ground, but clearly you lack cognitive capacity to get that through that thick skull of yours. Russian goal is the destruction of the AFU, and as the site linked which actually explains its methodology shows, that goal is progressing steadily. Once the AFU collapses, Russia can take any and all territory it wants. Just as it happened during WW2 when the front was static for whole four years and then the Soviet army marched on Berlin in months. But I guess they didn't teach you history at the clown school you went to.

Russian media ban is because RT is just a propaganda network, why would Europe let Russia beam propaganda in when fighting a proxy war, this is a no brainer and Russia does the exact same thing.

That's right, can only see wholesome domestic propaganda.

You can see your projection from the moon dude!

Cope harder loser.

I know right? This is why Russia is doing it and Ukraine is not, your words homie. I do love our little chats.

The same Ukraine which banned all independent media and opposition parties. Just how dumb are you exactly?

You really must have a fetish for public humiliation, that's the only reason I can think of why you're still in this thread. Can't wait to see what new drivel you'll spew next.

[-] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Also, love how you're dumb enough to think your oligarch owned media isn't propaganda bud.

I literally say "mainstream media is brain rot" where you yourself quoted me directly below where you say this statement. Your reading comprehension is so bad I'm sure they have a category in the Special Olympics for people like you.

Ah yes, that's why the EU is now struggling to approve another 90 billion for the proxy war.

But that was approved.

Show me a single fox article I linked lying little shit.

Whoosh! This one obviously went right over your head. It's a term of phrase for people who get all their news from mainstream media, usually older people.

that Russian industry has actually been growing to fill the niches left by western companies leaving.

Russian industry outside of the mitary industrial estate complex is shrinking. Russia has not miraculously created a successful perfect "juche" economy in 4 years, they have just become dependent on China for all the things they used to buy from Europe, USA and the allies sanctioning Russia. Have a look at North Korea for Russia's future.

What I actually said was that military spending in Russia accounts for a small part of the overall economy

40% of all government spending on the military + the $100s of billions in loans to defence contractors from commercial banks + all of the able bodied men committed is not a small part of the economy by any description.

Wars of attrition aren't about taking ground, but clearly you lack cognitive capacity to get that through that thick skull of yours

Laughable that Russia, the supposed second military in the world ended up in such a war on their border with Ukraine.

Russian goal is the destruction of the AFU,

No shit, you should give Russian command a call, they could really use you!

and as the site linked which actually explains its methodology shows, that goal is progressing steadily.

We can all find articles that fit our own confirmation bias.

Once the AFU collapses, Russia can take any and all territory it wants

There is no sign of this happening though. If anything Russian lines are looking pretty shakey at the minute.

Just as it happened during WW2 when the front was static for whole four years and then the Soviet army marched on Berlin in months

This war is nothing like WW2 though, it is much closer to ww1. The major difference between them and now is the drones and Ukraine's drone game is currently better.

You really must have a fetish for public humiliation

I really don't think anyone gives a shit to be reading all of the shite we just wrote, just us two idiots.

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