▲ 1542 ▼ Motorola confirms GrapheneOS support for a future phone, bringing over features (9to5google.com) submitted 7 months ago by baatliwala@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 306 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] trewq@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago (27 children) I'll buy if decent specs and price good permalink fedilink source hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (26 children) I solely need camera, contactless payments and projection for cars. If it is capable of these I am pre ordering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 7 months ago (14 children) Contactless payment will not happen under grapheneOS, it relies on google play services and integrity check. Graphene does have sandboxed play services, but it doesn't pass integrity check. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 7 months ago (2 children) That's not true. Google Pay (or Wallet?) doesn't work on GrapheneOS. NFC and contactless payments work perfectly fine. You can use Curve Pay or in Poland BLIK via bank apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) OK, none of these are supported where I live...so YMMV permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago As much as I hate PayPal, this is probably your only option for NFC payments on GrapheneOS then permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 15 points 7 months ago (3 children) Contactless payments does not need to be Google Pay. There are alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jode@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) What are those alternatives...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago Gaël Duval, the lead developer behind /e/OS, has been recommending an app called Zettle on his blog. It at least work on degoogled /e/OS, probably GrapheneOS as well. I have no personal experience as I prefer sticking to cards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago The most famous one is probably PayPal. But I assume for people who are privacy focused, that would be not the first choice. There is Curve Pay, but I know nothing about it besides the fact that it exists. Samsung Pay exists, but it only works on Samsung devices and therefore is not really an alternative in this case. And then there are some regional options. Here in Germany are same banks that offer their own payment apps, most famously the Sparkassen. I heard there are also some Indian and east Asian payment apps, but I don't know much about them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) Using contactless nfc payment on my grapheneos phone almost daily. Just not Google Wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] torubrx@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) What are you using? It's the only google thing I haven't been able to terminate (and play services, for now) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago In a lot of European countries there are local payment apps that work as alternatives. Some banks even have payment support in their own apps. Check your local market for alternatives, though if your market is the US then there probably isn't any. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago GooglePay does Graphene is very capable of contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -1 points 7 months ago (2 children) That’s a deal breaker for me, I haven’t carried a physical card of any sort in years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Same here, and unfortunately there is no digital wallet providers in my country other than Google Pay, Samsung Pay and Apple Pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Curve pay allows the creation of a card linked to a bank card permalink fedilink source parent [–] exaybachae@startrek.website 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Projection for cars? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 7 months ago I think he means the equivalent of car play. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Android auto equivalent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (7 children) Does GrapheneOS support Google Pay? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dracs@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago It's the other way around. Google specifically blocks Goodlgle Pay being used on GrapheneOS. I believe there's another contactless payment app called Curve or something that works on GrapheneOS. Requires Google Play Services installed though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) Probably not if it depends on Google Pain Services? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago No. But third party payment apps might work. I'm using one for contactless payments and it works just fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) Yup, it uses a sandboxed version that you can control. Edit: Fuck me...it's early and my dyslexic ass read "play" not pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago It supports google play services, but google pay does not work on graphene. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago No but nfc is present and nfc contactless pay works if your banking app has it native in their app. Curve pay is a good workaround. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (26 children) I solely need camera, contactless payments and projection for cars. If it is capable of these I am pre ordering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 7 months ago (14 children) Contactless payment will not happen under grapheneOS, it relies on google play services and integrity check. Graphene does have sandboxed play services, but it doesn't pass integrity check. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 7 months ago (2 children) That's not true. Google Pay (or Wallet?) doesn't work on GrapheneOS. NFC and contactless payments work perfectly fine. You can use Curve Pay or in Poland BLIK via bank apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) OK, none of these are supported where I live...so YMMV permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago As much as I hate PayPal, this is probably your only option for NFC payments on GrapheneOS then permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 15 points 7 months ago (3 children) Contactless payments does not need to be Google Pay. There are alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jode@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) What are those alternatives...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago Gaël Duval, the lead developer behind /e/OS, has been recommending an app called Zettle on his blog. It at least work on degoogled /e/OS, probably GrapheneOS as well. I have no personal experience as I prefer sticking to cards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago The most famous one is probably PayPal. But I assume for people who are privacy focused, that would be not the first choice. There is Curve Pay, but I know nothing about it besides the fact that it exists. Samsung Pay exists, but it only works on Samsung devices and therefore is not really an alternative in this case. And then there are some regional options. Here in Germany are same banks that offer their own payment apps, most famously the Sparkassen. I heard there are also some Indian and east Asian payment apps, but I don't know much about them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) Using contactless nfc payment on my grapheneos phone almost daily. Just not Google Wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] torubrx@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) What are you using? It's the only google thing I haven't been able to terminate (and play services, for now) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago In a lot of European countries there are local payment apps that work as alternatives. Some banks even have payment support in their own apps. Check your local market for alternatives, though if your market is the US then there probably isn't any. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago GooglePay does Graphene is very capable of contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -1 points 7 months ago (2 children) That’s a deal breaker for me, I haven’t carried a physical card of any sort in years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Same here, and unfortunately there is no digital wallet providers in my country other than Google Pay, Samsung Pay and Apple Pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Curve pay allows the creation of a card linked to a bank card permalink fedilink source parent [–] exaybachae@startrek.website 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Projection for cars? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 7 months ago I think he means the equivalent of car play. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Android auto equivalent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (7 children) Does GrapheneOS support Google Pay? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dracs@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago It's the other way around. Google specifically blocks Goodlgle Pay being used on GrapheneOS. I believe there's another contactless payment app called Curve or something that works on GrapheneOS. Requires Google Play Services installed though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) Probably not if it depends on Google Pain Services? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago No. But third party payment apps might work. I'm using one for contactless payments and it works just fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) Yup, it uses a sandboxed version that you can control. Edit: Fuck me...it's early and my dyslexic ass read "play" not pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago It supports google play services, but google pay does not work on graphene. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago No but nfc is present and nfc contactless pay works if your banking app has it native in their app. Curve pay is a good workaround. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 7 months ago (14 children) Contactless payment will not happen under grapheneOS, it relies on google play services and integrity check. Graphene does have sandboxed play services, but it doesn't pass integrity check. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 7 months ago (2 children) That's not true. Google Pay (or Wallet?) doesn't work on GrapheneOS. NFC and contactless payments work perfectly fine. You can use Curve Pay or in Poland BLIK via bank apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) OK, none of these are supported where I live...so YMMV permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago As much as I hate PayPal, this is probably your only option for NFC payments on GrapheneOS then permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 15 points 7 months ago (3 children) Contactless payments does not need to be Google Pay. There are alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jode@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) What are those alternatives...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago Gaël Duval, the lead developer behind /e/OS, has been recommending an app called Zettle on his blog. It at least work on degoogled /e/OS, probably GrapheneOS as well. I have no personal experience as I prefer sticking to cards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago The most famous one is probably PayPal. But I assume for people who are privacy focused, that would be not the first choice. There is Curve Pay, but I know nothing about it besides the fact that it exists. Samsung Pay exists, but it only works on Samsung devices and therefore is not really an alternative in this case. And then there are some regional options. Here in Germany are same banks that offer their own payment apps, most famously the Sparkassen. I heard there are also some Indian and east Asian payment apps, but I don't know much about them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) Using contactless nfc payment on my grapheneos phone almost daily. Just not Google Wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] torubrx@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) What are you using? It's the only google thing I haven't been able to terminate (and play services, for now) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago In a lot of European countries there are local payment apps that work as alternatives. Some banks even have payment support in their own apps. Check your local market for alternatives, though if your market is the US then there probably isn't any. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago GooglePay does Graphene is very capable of contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -1 points 7 months ago (2 children) That’s a deal breaker for me, I haven’t carried a physical card of any sort in years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Same here, and unfortunately there is no digital wallet providers in my country other than Google Pay, Samsung Pay and Apple Pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Curve pay allows the creation of a card linked to a bank card permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 7 months ago (2 children) That's not true. Google Pay (or Wallet?) doesn't work on GrapheneOS. NFC and contactless payments work perfectly fine. You can use Curve Pay or in Poland BLIK via bank apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) OK, none of these are supported where I live...so YMMV permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago As much as I hate PayPal, this is probably your only option for NFC payments on GrapheneOS then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) OK, none of these are supported where I live...so YMMV permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago As much as I hate PayPal, this is probably your only option for NFC payments on GrapheneOS then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Anivia@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago As much as I hate PayPal, this is probably your only option for NFC payments on GrapheneOS then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ibot@feddit.org 15 points 7 months ago (3 children) Contactless payments does not need to be Google Pay. There are alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jode@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) What are those alternatives...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago Gaël Duval, the lead developer behind /e/OS, has been recommending an app called Zettle on his blog. It at least work on degoogled /e/OS, probably GrapheneOS as well. I have no personal experience as I prefer sticking to cards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago The most famous one is probably PayPal. But I assume for people who are privacy focused, that would be not the first choice. There is Curve Pay, but I know nothing about it besides the fact that it exists. Samsung Pay exists, but it only works on Samsung devices and therefore is not really an alternative in this case. And then there are some regional options. Here in Germany are same banks that offer their own payment apps, most famously the Sparkassen. I heard there are also some Indian and east Asian payment apps, but I don't know much about them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jode@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) What are those alternatives...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago Gaël Duval, the lead developer behind /e/OS, has been recommending an app called Zettle on his blog. It at least work on degoogled /e/OS, probably GrapheneOS as well. I have no personal experience as I prefer sticking to cards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ibot@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago The most famous one is probably PayPal. But I assume for people who are privacy focused, that would be not the first choice. There is Curve Pay, but I know nothing about it besides the fact that it exists. Samsung Pay exists, but it only works on Samsung devices and therefore is not really an alternative in this case. And then there are some regional options. Here in Germany are same banks that offer their own payment apps, most famously the Sparkassen. I heard there are also some Indian and east Asian payment apps, but I don't know much about them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago Gaël Duval, the lead developer behind /e/OS, has been recommending an app called Zettle on his blog. It at least work on degoogled /e/OS, probably GrapheneOS as well. I have no personal experience as I prefer sticking to cards. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ibot@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago The most famous one is probably PayPal. But I assume for people who are privacy focused, that would be not the first choice. There is Curve Pay, but I know nothing about it besides the fact that it exists. Samsung Pay exists, but it only works on Samsung devices and therefore is not really an alternative in this case. And then there are some regional options. Here in Germany are same banks that offer their own payment apps, most famously the Sparkassen. I heard there are also some Indian and east Asian payment apps, but I don't know much about them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vodka@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) Using contactless nfc payment on my grapheneos phone almost daily. Just not Google Wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] torubrx@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) What are you using? It's the only google thing I haven't been able to terminate (and play services, for now) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago In a lot of European countries there are local payment apps that work as alternatives. Some banks even have payment support in their own apps. Check your local market for alternatives, though if your market is the US then there probably isn't any. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] torubrx@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) What are you using? It's the only google thing I haven't been able to terminate (and play services, for now) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago In a lot of European countries there are local payment apps that work as alternatives. Some banks even have payment support in their own apps. Check your local market for alternatives, though if your market is the US then there probably isn't any. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 7 months ago In a lot of European countries there are local payment apps that work as alternatives. Some banks even have payment support in their own apps. Check your local market for alternatives, though if your market is the US then there probably isn't any. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago GooglePay does Graphene is very capable of contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -1 points 7 months ago (2 children) That’s a deal breaker for me, I haven’t carried a physical card of any sort in years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Same here, and unfortunately there is no digital wallet providers in my country other than Google Pay, Samsung Pay and Apple Pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Curve pay allows the creation of a card linked to a bank card permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Same here, and unfortunately there is no digital wallet providers in my country other than Google Pay, Samsung Pay and Apple Pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Curve pay allows the creation of a card linked to a bank card permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Curve pay allows the creation of a card linked to a bank card permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exaybachae@startrek.website 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Projection for cars? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 7 months ago I think he means the equivalent of car play. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Android auto equivalent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 7 months ago I think he means the equivalent of car play. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Android auto equivalent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 1 point 7 months ago (7 children) Does GrapheneOS support Google Pay? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dracs@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago It's the other way around. Google specifically blocks Goodlgle Pay being used on GrapheneOS. I believe there's another contactless payment app called Curve or something that works on GrapheneOS. Requires Google Play Services installed though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) Probably not if it depends on Google Pain Services? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago No. But third party payment apps might work. I'm using one for contactless payments and it works just fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) Yup, it uses a sandboxed version that you can control. Edit: Fuck me...it's early and my dyslexic ass read "play" not pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago It supports google play services, but google pay does not work on graphene. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago No but nfc is present and nfc contactless pay works if your banking app has it native in their app. Curve pay is a good workaround. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dracs@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago It's the other way around. Google specifically blocks Goodlgle Pay being used on GrapheneOS. I believe there's another contactless payment app called Curve or something that works on GrapheneOS. Requires Google Play Services installed though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) Probably not if it depends on Google Pain Services? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vodka@feddit.org 2 points 7 months ago No. But third party payment apps might work. I'm using one for contactless payments and it works just fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) Yup, it uses a sandboxed version that you can control. Edit: Fuck me...it's early and my dyslexic ass read "play" not pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago It supports google play services, but google pay does not work on graphene. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago It supports google play services, but google pay does not work on graphene. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago No but nfc is present and nfc contactless pay works if your banking app has it native in their app. Curve pay is a good workaround. permalink fedilink source parent