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[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago
[-] context@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

back in 2008 the obama campaign made these "hope" posters in this distinctive style

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_%22Hope%22_poster

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

falling for this shit was so cringe even in 08

[-] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean I was skeptical of course but I did vote for him because at least at the time he was promising to shut down guantanmo which was only a few years old at that point. He also promised to prosecute Bush for war crimes. Of course we all knew both of those were long shots but his campaign was more revolutionary than even Bernie in 2016.

The best thing about '08 was a lot of us learned a hard lesson. Electoralism is a dead end and political power grows from the barrel of a gun.

This is a message to all of you on either side of the Mamdani thing too. It does not fucking matter, he might do some good for NY he might not. None of that matters in the big picture and getting so wrapped up in electoralism makes me want to kind-vladimir-ilyich

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

There's something fundamentally incoherent in pretending electoralism is a dead end while armed revolt is on the table for the American left, that couldn't be further from the truth, there is no extant American Workers Party to organize armed workers and the US military body is still cohesive and massive

Armed revolt is a viable tool for the Third World, not the Western left. The American masses are electoralist in political mode and outlook which means the left must be there to contest that ground; otherwise they'll fall for fascism

[-] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

There's something fundamentally incoherent in pretending electoralism is a dead end while armed revolt is on the table for the American left

I don't believe either of these things are true tbh. There is certainly usefulness in electoralism on a case by case basis but not as any revolutionary strategy. I think at best we can mitigate harm by building parallel power as the empire declines and cannibalizes itself.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

The problem I have with this right now is there are some truly repugnant people running for office. Like people that are doing awful things to our trans friends. I'm not saying that Democrats are even good on this issue, but it feels like a betrayal to not participate in trying to get rid of these bigots.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

I want to do everything in my power to eliminate the Republicans. That group is responsible for so much pain in my life. They are a cancer on our society and they're never going to be on our side.

[-] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I don't disagree but I felt that way 10 years ago and the next decade taught me that to Democratic Party are Nazis too. At this point I recognize that both are irredeemably evil, but I hate the Democratic Party with more vitriol than I hate the Republican Party.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

I hate the Dems too. I just want to see the Republicans die off. Let the Dems become the conservative party that we crush with a revolutionary party.

[-] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

Inshallah, comrade. Inshallah

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