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What it feels like talking about Star Trek on reddit sometimes
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Deciding by oneself if something is enjoyable or not? Yeah, I can see how that’d be bad.
The majority of pre-Kurtzman fans hate Kurtzman Trek and the new fans are a tiiiiny fraction of the fans lost. The final season of Enterprise that got it cancelled had higher ratings than ANYTHING Kurtzman Trek has produced, and merch sales are nonexistent. I have not decided alone. We are legion. We are the majority of Trek fans.
Example of absolutely not caring about other people’s opinions, and just liking what’s enjoyable to me: once The Big Bang Theory was over, I kinda had to check out Star Trek out of curiosity. That’s how I more or less binged all of it in chronological order up to the then latest stuff (Disco and Pic S1). I’ve yet to find a Trek I don’t like. Sure, Disco has the main issue of not being episodic and that brings it down the rankings for me. Since Trek turned out to be pretty good actually, that got me to catch up on all the other things I missed when they aired, see SG1, Babylon 5, Quantum Leap, Charmed, Monk, Friends and How I Met Your Mother to name a few. And you know what? I liked them. I liked Morbius (pretty low on the list of superhero movies, but perfectly enjoyable). I liked the Enterprise theme once they sped it up, it ended up going from annoying to hilariously silly. I liked the Suicide Squad game so much that I fell into my usual trap of burning myself out, but I miss the fun banter while traversing the city. I liked the first Destiny, and don’t like the second. I like Ghost Recon Breakpoint, but not Wildlands. You do you, but I enjoy whatever I want, regardless of other people’s opinions on the matter. You’re legion? Hi Legion, I’m dad.
I maintain that it is factually correct that the majority of prior Star Trek fans and overall humans don't like Kurtzman Trek (as shown by the numbers) because it is poorly written, dumb, frantic, etc...
I’ve grown up on TNG and watched everything Trek. I do enjoy the new stuff. Is it silly sometimes and is the writing whacky? Yes of course. But let’s not act as if Trek ever took canon too seriously, and always had impeccable writing. It’s part of it.
It doesn't need to be high art, but Kurtzman Trek isn't even Gossip Girl-level writing, it's disastrous Gossip Girl reboot that got cancelled-level writing.
I didn’t watch gossip girl so I can’t speak on that. And honestly, I’m a trek nerd, but your obsessive hate seems unhealthy. Just don’t watch it if you don’t want to, all the old trek is still there for you.
I do not believe that that is true.
Kurtzman was writer and producer on the highest grossing Star Trek film of all time. Popularity is a shitty proxy for quality, but if that's what we're going with, I think Kurtzman comes out looking pretty okay.
Not with inflation and I would argue Trek was never a movie brand. Trek movies range from passable to awful, and they only made the first Trek movie because Star Wars made all the idiot executives chase that as the "real money." There was supposed to be a 70's Trek series, but the movie led to it being picked apart and divided up between the movie and eventually TNG (fun fact, the bald lady from the first movie and Troy are based on the same character from the 70's series that the movie killed). Nobody who is a trekkie is a trekkie because they just LOVED The Undiscovered Country, they're in it for the series, even Kurtztrekkies.
Yes with inflation.
But sure, you might be able to find a list that places it in second place instead, depending on their method. That hardly defeats my point. Are you really trying to argue that Into Darkness performed badly?
Nothing else you said is relevant if we're judging Trek installments based on viewership, which is the metric you chose.
I believe I initially also chose merch sales, which have cratered via zero interest, because nobody likes this, but it terms of net views, a pre-Kurtzman series is going to beat any movie into the ground. I would wager most Kurtzman series have net underperformed Into Darkness (which was a SHIT movie and SHIT adaptation of Wrath of Khan, the best Star Trek movie)
Ah yes, the true worth of a piece art lies in how many action figures it sells. Silly silly me.
It's not a reflection of if it's great art, I doubt too many people have Do The Right Thing action figures (although that would be awesome) but a collapse in merch sales from real Trek to Kurtzman Trek is a direct reflection of a loss of audience and the failure to replace that audience with an adequately large new one to replace those sales numbers.
Then why care so much? Obviously I’d like Trek to maintain a sufficient audience to keep getting produced, but beyond that I really don’t care. I want it to be good, not popular. I’ve loved plenty of shows that stayed pretty niche.
So to actually speak to quality: Kurtzman Trek has absolutely been a mixed bag, but I appreciate that he tries a lot of different approaches to the franchise and seems to be pretty hands off on most of them. It means we occasionally get some dreck like Section 31, but also some great stuff like SNW and, so far at least, Academy.