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Means to an end, got it. So be it, If things end up as bad as you seem to predict I hope you can rebuild something from the smoldering ashes. I'll still try my hand at organized resistance.
No? I do org work IRL for the purpose of establishing socialism. Being happy that the empire is losing its iron grip on the world doesn't mean I try to make things worse to do so.
It's like you're intentionally taking the most bad-faith reading possible.
You're right I conflated your opinions with those I have argued with the past on ML and for that I apologize.
However, If you think this ends when America dies that's wishful thinking, the oligarchy is as comfortable in Russia, India or Brazil as it is in America and they seem to be shifting as they see the writing on the wall.
None of those 3 countries have the finance capital required to replace the US Empire. What makes the US Empire unique is its total hegemony. Europe comes close financially, but doesn't have the hard power to keep that going when the US Empire falls.
That wouldn't be true for long when they migrate their capital as we've seen already happening with recent market ripples.
How so? Finance capital doesn't shift that quickly, nor does industrial capacity.
I think it could, look how rapidly China industrialized, how rapidly India industrialized, when given a centralized power structure and lack of regulations It's been shown to be possible. Now it wouldn't happen overnight which is why I believe it's already underway and why they're investing so heavily in destabilizing Germany, The UK and India.
I believe by migrating their capital to European defense contractors and advancing far right policy they are readying an escape hatch
India is lagging far behind China, the reason China developed so rapidly is due to their socialist market economy. By having strong central planning, and public ownership of the large firms and key industries, while allowing limited private and foreign capital for secondary and small/medium industries. As a consequence of this structure, it is neither imperialist nor driven to imperialism. These other countries you speak of cannot replicate China's success without adopting socialism anyways, which prevents the drive to imperialism.
So, if I understand you correctly you're asserting that the dissolution of the American power structure would disallow oligarchy for asserting centralized control and would force them to have a much smaller sphere of influence as is seen with Russian and The Saudi Arabian Oligarchs?
The "oligarchy" in the US already has control. The dissolution of the current, capitalist system would result in either socialism if we succeed or barbarism if we fail, and said barbarism would be far more localized. Russia dissolved a socialist system, not an oligarchic one of capitalism, and Saudi Arabia is a monarchy.
I was using the broad term oligarch to mean someone who has " great capital and political control who is not part of the electorate". It's okay though, I still gather what you mean.
I still think you underestimate the blood price if things have to be done that way but it sounds like we agree on most things just not how easy it is to rip out the parasite that is capitalism.
That's generally been my point, I think you actually agree with most people here, but have been reading them less charitably.
It was too long ago for me to pull up the specific comment but I have had people on ML showing me Al Jazeera articles trying to convince me that DT is good for the Gaza strip and that he was a better vote than Kamala so for now I'll evaluate on a case by case basis.
No you didn't. You're making that up.
Why does this guy always show up to say that? Also here's one I'll always disagree with mostly because he only shows up to be a contrarian so they wouldn't let me agree if I wanted to.
Lol, clearly you've been caught lying before
The majority opinion seems to be that neither would stop the genocide, both would carry it out.
Agreed, Israel has too much control and is too interwoven with US foreign influence for either to stop it. Maybe if Mamdani ever made it to the big chair but we both know that will never happen as long as the DNC exists as it currently does.
Israel is not controlling the US, the US controls Israel. Israel has some counter-influence, but the US uses Israel to secure its interests in the region. Stopping it requires hitting imperialist profits directly.
I would have said yes in 2016 but since 2022 Netanyahu seems to exert considerable influence even when the electorate try to slow them down for fear of backlash. Now Israel does advance US foreign policy but I don't think Netanyahu is so tight on that leash, I believe he's doing it for the love of the game, so to speak.
Israel is a settler-colony. Total colonization of Palestine is its necessary end, which breeds resistance. The US supports it because Israel is a US millitary base at a country scale.
I agree with the structural point about Israel's role as a client state/base. My point is that within that structure, Netanyahu's government has become a highly volatile and agentic client, one that can create crises that even its patron struggles to manage. This changes the tactical landscape for opposition.
There's definitely counter-influence, but it doesn't outweigh the US's influence is my point.