▲ 111 ▼ What's going on with the lemmy world and ML infighting (lemmy.world) submitted 7 months ago by metallic_substance@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 290 comments fedilink hide all child comments I've seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What's happening?
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 months ago (1 child) All of America's are settler colonies. Or are they not to you because they are not White. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (2 children) Much of latin and south America are predominantly indigenous, whereas the USA and Canada in particular wiped out the vast majority of the indigenous populations. Mexicans, for example, are largely a mix of Spanish and indigenous, ie mestizo, with around 20% identifying as indigenous. This is in stark contrast to the US and Canada. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child) Just my own perspective, but I don't think it's really accurate to say that latinos of mixed descent always stop being settlers. Some are indigenous as you say, but I think most of us still count as settlers. We definitely aren't indigenous (except in the context of the colonial relationship between our countries and the imperial core) in the strict political sense, and we live in (predominantly) unceded territory. I don't know if there's a single country in LatAm that isn't a settler colony as a result of these facts, I'd probably hazard to say no but there's a few I'm pretty ignorant about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago It's definitely a contested subject, and I have the "benefit" of falling squarely into undisputed settler territory so there's no ambiguity. This is just the perspective I have heard so far on the subject, I know mestizo aren't indigenous directly but it's not the same as the sheer obliteration of indigenous populations at mass scale as in Canada and the US. I still support indigenous movements throughout south and latin America, of course, as I do in the US/Canada. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) I'd also like to add that, as far as I know, USA (and to a lesser extent Canada) are the only two states in the Americas that are still actively colonizing other places, including other parts of the Americas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago Yep, that's also true! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (2 children) Much of latin and south America are predominantly indigenous, whereas the USA and Canada in particular wiped out the vast majority of the indigenous populations. Mexicans, for example, are largely a mix of Spanish and indigenous, ie mestizo, with around 20% identifying as indigenous. This is in stark contrast to the US and Canada. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child) Just my own perspective, but I don't think it's really accurate to say that latinos of mixed descent always stop being settlers. Some are indigenous as you say, but I think most of us still count as settlers. We definitely aren't indigenous (except in the context of the colonial relationship between our countries and the imperial core) in the strict political sense, and we live in (predominantly) unceded territory. I don't know if there's a single country in LatAm that isn't a settler colony as a result of these facts, I'd probably hazard to say no but there's a few I'm pretty ignorant about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago It's definitely a contested subject, and I have the "benefit" of falling squarely into undisputed settler territory so there's no ambiguity. This is just the perspective I have heard so far on the subject, I know mestizo aren't indigenous directly but it's not the same as the sheer obliteration of indigenous populations at mass scale as in Canada and the US. I still support indigenous movements throughout south and latin America, of course, as I do in the US/Canada. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) I'd also like to add that, as far as I know, USA (and to a lesser extent Canada) are the only two states in the Americas that are still actively colonizing other places, including other parts of the Americas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago Yep, that's also true! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child) Just my own perspective, but I don't think it's really accurate to say that latinos of mixed descent always stop being settlers. Some are indigenous as you say, but I think most of us still count as settlers. We definitely aren't indigenous (except in the context of the colonial relationship between our countries and the imperial core) in the strict political sense, and we live in (predominantly) unceded territory. I don't know if there's a single country in LatAm that isn't a settler colony as a result of these facts, I'd probably hazard to say no but there's a few I'm pretty ignorant about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago It's definitely a contested subject, and I have the "benefit" of falling squarely into undisputed settler territory so there's no ambiguity. This is just the perspective I have heard so far on the subject, I know mestizo aren't indigenous directly but it's not the same as the sheer obliteration of indigenous populations at mass scale as in Canada and the US. I still support indigenous movements throughout south and latin America, of course, as I do in the US/Canada. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago It's definitely a contested subject, and I have the "benefit" of falling squarely into undisputed settler territory so there's no ambiguity. This is just the perspective I have heard so far on the subject, I know mestizo aren't indigenous directly but it's not the same as the sheer obliteration of indigenous populations at mass scale as in Canada and the US. I still support indigenous movements throughout south and latin America, of course, as I do in the US/Canada. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) I'd also like to add that, as far as I know, USA (and to a lesser extent Canada) are the only two states in the Americas that are still actively colonizing other places, including other parts of the Americas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago Yep, that's also true! permalink fedilink source parent