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How do you guys feel about democratic socialism? I feel like it's the only realistic way to get socialism without bloodshed - though I also understand the US is a long goddamn way away.
Be gentle pls, I'm still learning ❤️
Edit: thanks for all the replies!! There's a ton to read through so bear with me
Despite all the numerous failures that democratic socialism has had, its the only tendency that has had any actual success in "western liberal democracies". Someone is welcome to correct me but I'm not aware of any successful Maoist revolutions in liberal democracies. They all get stomped out immediately by a fully developed capitalist state.
Meanwhile we currently have Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez successfuly getting elected and their parties are still in power. But thats because they weathered the reaction. You have to be ready for the reaction comrade.
Evo and Chavez can only win precisely because those countries are not fully developed Liberal democracies but instead periphery comprador resource extraction states (prior to the revolution). I’m not aware of any “democratic socialist” in western nations that has ever won power either and not just immediately became a succ traitor like in Greece
Name a more developed or more western "liberal democracy" than Bolivia or Venezuela that had a successful revolution. My point is its the best example we have to go off.
To me the evidence points to those western liberal nations needing to break and collapse before they have any hope
They tend to become fascist when that happens. Besides if you're in one of those nations, "we need to break and collapse" is a dead-end political movement.