Unmedicated ADHD has worse outcomes for a bunch of things like relationships, risky behavior (e.g. addictive behaviors), and tasks that require sustained concentration (e.g. driving). It is more often comorbid with other issues than not like anxiety and depression.
Personally, I've lost my ability to do many things I enjoyed after changing to non stimulant meds when getting them was nigh impossible (plus other side effects were starting to make them not worth it). Tango because it's exhausting to have to pay attention to the flow of dance, plan what I'm going to lead, and execute it in sync to the music. Scuba because underwater is not where you want to run out of executive function no matter what kind of society I'm in. I almost lost my martial art because I didn't have enough executive function left to practice safely about 2/3 of the way through class (luckily, I do adequately on my current meds). I've made absolutely idiotic relationship decisions when I was on stimulants but it was past the time of day when they wore off. It can be difficult to get started even on things I enjoy. Etc etc.
There's no society that fixes me. I do ok in this one because of the coping behaviors, systems, and medications. But I would press the button that got rid of my ADHD without hesitation.
Did you read my comment or do you just feel like saying both my experience and the research of experts aren't worth anything? How the hell is a supportive community going to keep me from drowning or crashing a vehicle? I'd still be tired all the time, I'd still turn into an idiot when exhausted, I'd still be depressed. Society doesn't change my neurochemistry.
Studies have shown community is a key component in reducing addiction. A society that accommodated different sleep patterns would probably lead to less tiredness (I am a night owl but my job is 8-5, for example.)
Society doesn’t change your neurochemistry, that’s true. But it can change what your neurochemistry has to contend with. Consider a basic inorganic chemistry scenario: some materials dissolve in water much more readily when the water is hot. Does that mean they are insoluble, or poorly soluble, in cold water? Not at all. The environment impacts that behavior.
A loving community that personally knows you and how you operate help of course. Not being along when swimming or someone else driving for example. Or you living a life where you don’t even need to drive a vehicle daily.
Exhaustion and depression are a result of constantly being overwhelmed, hypervigilant, and so on.
Your environment and activity can change your neurochemistry in a major way.
Let’s say you lived in a multi generational family. You don’t need to do all the laundry and household chores by yourself, nor do you need to manage them. Singing silly songs with a companion during chores make them more easily doable for someone with ADHD.
depression [is] a result of constantly being overwhelmed, hypervigilant, and so on.
Wrong. Absolutely incorrect. Stop reading whatever self help bullshit that told you that.
multi generational family
This sounds like absolute hell. Not all of us have good relationships with our families. Most of the people with ADHD have at least one parent with ADHD, and guess who has problems regulating emotions. And guess what kind of risky behaviors the children will engage in.
Even though there are more people to do chores, there are more people producing dishes, laundry, trash. It's a wash at best for neurotypical people, but a bunch of people that have a hard time initiating tasks? Again, doesn't seem like a rosy picture to me.
Unmedicated ADHD has worse outcomes for a bunch of things like relationships, risky behavior (e.g. addictive behaviors), and tasks that require sustained concentration (e.g. driving). It is more often comorbid with other issues than not like anxiety and depression.
Personally, I've lost my ability to do many things I enjoyed after changing to non stimulant meds when getting them was nigh impossible (plus other side effects were starting to make them not worth it). Tango because it's exhausting to have to pay attention to the flow of dance, plan what I'm going to lead, and execute it in sync to the music. Scuba because underwater is not where you want to run out of executive function no matter what kind of society I'm in. I almost lost my martial art because I didn't have enough executive function left to practice safely about 2/3 of the way through class (luckily, I do adequately on my current meds). I've made absolutely idiotic relationship decisions when I was on stimulants but it was past the time of day when they wore off. It can be difficult to get started even on things I enjoy. Etc etc.
There's no society that fixes me. I do ok in this one because of the coping behaviors, systems, and medications. But I would press the button that got rid of my ADHD without hesitation.
Unmedicated ADHD isn’t half as bad, if there’s a supportive community surrounding people.
Smaller families, atomized society, individualism all make is harder to socially compensate and coregulate.
Did you read my comment or do you just feel like saying both my experience and the research of experts aren't worth anything? How the hell is a supportive community going to keep me from drowning or crashing a vehicle? I'd still be tired all the time, I'd still turn into an idiot when exhausted, I'd still be depressed. Society doesn't change my neurochemistry.
Studies have shown community is a key component in reducing addiction. A society that accommodated different sleep patterns would probably lead to less tiredness (I am a night owl but my job is 8-5, for example.)
Society doesn’t change your neurochemistry, that’s true. But it can change what your neurochemistry has to contend with. Consider a basic inorganic chemistry scenario: some materials dissolve in water much more readily when the water is hot. Does that mean they are insoluble, or poorly soluble, in cold water? Not at all. The environment impacts that behavior.
A loving community that personally knows you and how you operate help of course. Not being along when swimming or someone else driving for example. Or you living a life where you don’t even need to drive a vehicle daily.
Exhaustion and depression are a result of constantly being overwhelmed, hypervigilant, and so on.
Your environment and activity can change your neurochemistry in a major way.
Let’s say you lived in a multi generational family. You don’t need to do all the laundry and household chores by yourself, nor do you need to manage them. Singing silly songs with a companion during chores make them more easily doable for someone with ADHD.
Wrong. Absolutely incorrect. Stop reading whatever self help bullshit that told you that.
This sounds like absolute hell. Not all of us have good relationships with our families. Most of the people with ADHD have at least one parent with ADHD, and guess who has problems regulating emotions. And guess what kind of risky behaviors the children will engage in.
Even though there are more people to do chores, there are more people producing dishes, laundry, trash. It's a wash at best for neurotypical people, but a bunch of people that have a hard time initiating tasks? Again, doesn't seem like a rosy picture to me.