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Lavalamp too hot (thelemmy.club)
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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hmm, interesting theory. However:

  1. We know this is an issue with language models, it happens all the time with weaker ones - so there is an alternative explanation.

  2. LLMs are running at a loss right now, the company would lose more money than they gain from you - so there is no motive.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social -3 points 2 weeks ago

Of course there's a technical reason for it, but they have incentive to try and sell even a shitty product.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think this really addresses my second point.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

How does it not? This isn't a fucking debate. How would artificially bloating the number of tokens they sell not help their bottom line?

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Because they currently lose money for every token sold. They're operating at a loss to generate a userbase so that they can monetize later. They're currently in the pre-enshittification (I still don't like that word) phase where they want to offer a good product at a loss and lure in customers, not phase 2 where they monetize their userbase.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

and? How do you not understand that more money is better for them even if they're not in the black, yet?

Two things can be true at once.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Creating additional tokens LOSES them money. For a single token, the cost of generating it exceeds the profits.

I genuinely don't understand what would drive someone to be this condescending when you don't even understand the argument I have clearly laid out four times now.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

Do you think they don't want people using their product? Are you really that dense?

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Are you? Because now we've agreed on every fact to determine my conclusion is correct. Yes they do want people using their product; they want to lure in customers. Wasting tokens generating unhelpful output would both drive customers away with a worse experience, and cost them more money. So there's no reason for them to do that. Like I said in my first post.

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