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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The especially dumb part of this is that abayas aren't specifically Muslim or religious in nature, they're cultural. They are a long flowing dress, without even a head covering. A bunch of non-Islamic women wear them in a variety of countries.

So this is more attempting to ban entire cultural outfits, which is ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For context, the French are very strict about any form of symbol on what students wear. I couldn't even wear a baseball cap with a team logo and that's not religious.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol what the only reason they could prevent you from wearing a cap is because it's considered 'rude' to keep your hat inside classroom. A private school can do whatever they want and force student to wear uniforme but in public school you can wear whatever you want except specific banned religious symbole (cross, kippa, headscarf etc...)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They just want to have a rule that doesn't discriminate against any specific religion. Public schools have whatever rules the Government has elected. We had a weird mix between the local Government rules (mandatory uniform) plus the French public school rules (no outer religious symbols).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You forgot to mention that the abaya is compulsory in Saudi Arabia (except for tourists) and Qatar.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And that's bad. Can we agree that making a dress compulsory and making a dress banned are both bad, because they both restrict choice?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I agree let's promote shorty and crop top in Quatar.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Saudi Arabia overturned that requirement in 2019, so you're quite a few years out of date. It is required in Qatar though, yes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

It's ridiculous either way