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[–] 76 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Say what you will about the guy, but I really hope he's sincere. He's an idiot, but an idiot with a huge audience. It would be better to have him on our side on this.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    This isn't just Rogan. There's a lot of people feeling like this.

    An absolutely fascinating polling number we're seeing now is that - even among Republican voters - people generally see Trump as doing badly on immigration. This is a massive shift from how he was perceived before the election, where immigration was where he polled the strongest IIRC. Actually seeing his immigration policies in action has actually soured right wing voters on them.

    And the reason is simple; in their minds, they truly, genuinely did not vote for this. They voted to kick out all the "Bad" immigrants, not the sweet old lady who bakes amazing churros and the nice man who runs the drug store.

    It's the Shirley Exception. They just assumed that the people they like would be exempt. Because they do not understand that you cannot build a machine for cruelty and then ask it to be kind.

    The bad news is, these people vote. The good news is, these people represent a deep and serious fracture in Trump's support, and there is a very real opportunity here for many of them to finally figure out how fucked up their thinking has been all this time.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Genuinely, what you're seeing right now is individuals in an entire group go through their own individual chapel perilous moments: confronted with the reality of what their beliefs have brought to the world some will be horrified and reject those beliefs, yet some will double down and be sucked further into them.

    For those that reject the beliefs it will be highly traumatic and isolating for them and, as hard as it will be because it feels like a misjustice, those who have always seen the orange cunt for what he is should bring them into our community to support them during this process of genuine repentance as there's now an avenue for these people to be deprogrammed from the cult of personality, gently educated to make them more politically aware, and help them find an active supportive role in the community so they feel some positive empowerment and hope that will act as a stalwart against the fear that MAGA had been poisoning their minds with.

    For those who double down and reject what their own eyes and ears tell them are going to become even more dangerous as these ideas, thoughts, and beliefs they'll now guard even more closely as a part of their identity which could swallow things like self-preservation, which coupled with the sheer amount of anger and fear is a violent cocktail that Trump, the Billionaires, and foreign powers seek to put into destructive actions.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    For those who double down and reject what their own eyes and ears tell them are going to become even more dangerous as these ideas, thoughts, and beliefs they'll now guard even more closely as a part of their identity which could swallow things like self-preservation, which coupled with the sheer amount of anger and fear is a violent cocktail that Trump, the Billionaires, and foreign powers seek to put into destructive actions.

    I'm just counting the days until it backfires directly on them, and it will.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I imagine their crisis of faith will be resolved as soon as there's a Democrat to vote against.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    If democrats put forward the most unpopular choices running as dem status quo then yes. Conservative light candidates.

    If they had a new deal and loudly fought for it, they would take half the r base.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Depends on the democrat. Plenty of progressives have shown that the way you steal votes from the right is by moving further left. Their biggest concern right now is cost of living. Focus on that and they'll show up.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There's no way he'll turn on the audience that made him filthy rich. Also, it's not the first time he's had a "revelation" about this shit, and nothing changed.

    I hope so, too. But, I'm not holding my breath.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    It's a kind of a fig leaf I guess.

    "Well I don't support everything Trump does but at least he gets results"

    That kind of thing.

    He would still support Trump in another election.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    If you ever think Rogan will he on "our side" then you're just as delusional as he is. Rogan knows exactly what he is doing. To call himself an idiot before saying something extreme is not only a shitty attempt at plausible deniability, but harmful to society's social contract.

    Fuck Joe Rogan and his HGH gut chugging ass

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