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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (4 children) I've run into this a while ago but I'm not sure what to make of it. https://aria.dog/barks/on-being-a-thing/ permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (2 children) Holy shit... You can have domains that end in .dog? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pieland@piefed.social 8 points 8 months ago and .pizza, .gay there are lots of fun ones permalink fedilink source parent [–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can have domains that end in even more stuff if you switch to an alternative dns root like https://opennic.org/. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pieland@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago this is so interesting. thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) "It" is personally my favorite neutral pronoun, but it has so much cultural baggage attached to it that it doesn't feel like a viable option. Why does a squirrel or a ficus or a robot get to be called "it" by default, but not a person? It isn't fair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (2 children) it's generally used to describe non-sentient things... Also, using only it gets confusing when trying to determine what "it" refers to in a given sentence... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 8 months ago (3 children) What's not sentient about a squirrel? Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? Like "It met its friend for coffee," sounds fine to me. "It put on a warm jacket since it was cold out," uses multiple senses of the word, but it still reads fine to me. "They" is mildly confusing in narratives because it can be hard to distinguish whether one or multiple characters are being described, but it's not an insurmountable problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) I think it might be most confusing when someone talks about someone who uses "it/its" pronouns: my initial assumption would be that they're trying to dehumanise it unless I was already previously aware of it's pronown preference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago That's what I mean about the baggage, yeah. You can't just make something not be a slur anymore. It's uncomfortable for people trying to be respectful, and it's easy for bigots to exploit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) that's a good point, I think it depends on the person, but some people tend to just assume the squirrels gender in most instances rather than saying "it". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago In my experience (and I'm sure this varies by region) it's about 50/50 whether someone will call most animals or anthropomorphized objects "he" or "it". (Cats are a big exception in that they're usually "she" even from people who know it's a boy cat.) So for me "it" is just the most natural thing, with male-as-default being second and also problematic in its own way. Maybe someday I'll like a neopronoun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? https://aria.dog/barks/on-being-a-thing/ 😅 permalink fedilink source parent [–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago You should have answered with more empathy for its feelings. Jesus Christ told us to love our neighbours. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's your choice. Do what you want. Damn the haters to sheol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago The haters are the root of the problem, but it's not like I'm not using it/its because I'm afraid of being scolded or made fun of. It's unfortunately tied to dehumanization in the sense that not being human is a bad thing, and that makes it fun for bigots to say and uncomfortable for good people to say. I lament the situation, but I also accept the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago Based based based based based ...Waow permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What a tasteful website design permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (2 children) Holy shit... You can have domains that end in .dog? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pieland@piefed.social 8 points 8 months ago and .pizza, .gay there are lots of fun ones permalink fedilink source parent [–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can have domains that end in even more stuff if you switch to an alternative dns root like https://opennic.org/. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pieland@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago this is so interesting. thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pieland@piefed.social 8 points 8 months ago and .pizza, .gay there are lots of fun ones permalink fedilink source parent
[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can have domains that end in even more stuff if you switch to an alternative dns root like https://opennic.org/. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pieland@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago this is so interesting. thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pieland@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago this is so interesting. thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) "It" is personally my favorite neutral pronoun, but it has so much cultural baggage attached to it that it doesn't feel like a viable option. Why does a squirrel or a ficus or a robot get to be called "it" by default, but not a person? It isn't fair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (2 children) it's generally used to describe non-sentient things... Also, using only it gets confusing when trying to determine what "it" refers to in a given sentence... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 8 months ago (3 children) What's not sentient about a squirrel? Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? Like "It met its friend for coffee," sounds fine to me. "It put on a warm jacket since it was cold out," uses multiple senses of the word, but it still reads fine to me. "They" is mildly confusing in narratives because it can be hard to distinguish whether one or multiple characters are being described, but it's not an insurmountable problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) I think it might be most confusing when someone talks about someone who uses "it/its" pronouns: my initial assumption would be that they're trying to dehumanise it unless I was already previously aware of it's pronown preference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago That's what I mean about the baggage, yeah. You can't just make something not be a slur anymore. It's uncomfortable for people trying to be respectful, and it's easy for bigots to exploit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) that's a good point, I think it depends on the person, but some people tend to just assume the squirrels gender in most instances rather than saying "it". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago In my experience (and I'm sure this varies by region) it's about 50/50 whether someone will call most animals or anthropomorphized objects "he" or "it". (Cats are a big exception in that they're usually "she" even from people who know it's a boy cat.) So for me "it" is just the most natural thing, with male-as-default being second and also problematic in its own way. Maybe someday I'll like a neopronoun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? https://aria.dog/barks/on-being-a-thing/ 😅 permalink fedilink source parent [–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago You should have answered with more empathy for its feelings. Jesus Christ told us to love our neighbours. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's your choice. Do what you want. Damn the haters to sheol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago The haters are the root of the problem, but it's not like I'm not using it/its because I'm afraid of being scolded or made fun of. It's unfortunately tied to dehumanization in the sense that not being human is a bad thing, and that makes it fun for bigots to say and uncomfortable for good people to say. I lament the situation, but I also accept the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (2 children) it's generally used to describe non-sentient things... Also, using only it gets confusing when trying to determine what "it" refers to in a given sentence... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 8 months ago (3 children) What's not sentient about a squirrel? Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? Like "It met its friend for coffee," sounds fine to me. "It put on a warm jacket since it was cold out," uses multiple senses of the word, but it still reads fine to me. "They" is mildly confusing in narratives because it can be hard to distinguish whether one or multiple characters are being described, but it's not an insurmountable problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) I think it might be most confusing when someone talks about someone who uses "it/its" pronouns: my initial assumption would be that they're trying to dehumanise it unless I was already previously aware of it's pronown preference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago That's what I mean about the baggage, yeah. You can't just make something not be a slur anymore. It's uncomfortable for people trying to be respectful, and it's easy for bigots to exploit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) that's a good point, I think it depends on the person, but some people tend to just assume the squirrels gender in most instances rather than saying "it". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago In my experience (and I'm sure this varies by region) it's about 50/50 whether someone will call most animals or anthropomorphized objects "he" or "it". (Cats are a big exception in that they're usually "she" even from people who know it's a boy cat.) So for me "it" is just the most natural thing, with male-as-default being second and also problematic in its own way. Maybe someday I'll like a neopronoun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? https://aria.dog/barks/on-being-a-thing/ 😅 permalink fedilink source parent [–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago You should have answered with more empathy for its feelings. Jesus Christ told us to love our neighbours. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 8 months ago (3 children) What's not sentient about a squirrel? Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? Like "It met its friend for coffee," sounds fine to me. "It put on a warm jacket since it was cold out," uses multiple senses of the word, but it still reads fine to me. "They" is mildly confusing in narratives because it can be hard to distinguish whether one or multiple characters are being described, but it's not an insurmountable problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) I think it might be most confusing when someone talks about someone who uses "it/its" pronouns: my initial assumption would be that they're trying to dehumanise it unless I was already previously aware of it's pronown preference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago That's what I mean about the baggage, yeah. You can't just make something not be a slur anymore. It's uncomfortable for people trying to be respectful, and it's easy for bigots to exploit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) that's a good point, I think it depends on the person, but some people tend to just assume the squirrels gender in most instances rather than saying "it". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago In my experience (and I'm sure this varies by region) it's about 50/50 whether someone will call most animals or anthropomorphized objects "he" or "it". (Cats are a big exception in that they're usually "she" even from people who know it's a boy cat.) So for me "it" is just the most natural thing, with male-as-default being second and also problematic in its own way. Maybe someday I'll like a neopronoun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? https://aria.dog/barks/on-being-a-thing/ 😅 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) I think it might be most confusing when someone talks about someone who uses "it/its" pronouns: my initial assumption would be that they're trying to dehumanise it unless I was already previously aware of it's pronown preference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago That's what I mean about the baggage, yeah. You can't just make something not be a slur anymore. It's uncomfortable for people trying to be respectful, and it's easy for bigots to exploit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago That's what I mean about the baggage, yeah. You can't just make something not be a slur anymore. It's uncomfortable for people trying to be respectful, and it's easy for bigots to exploit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) that's a good point, I think it depends on the person, but some people tend to just assume the squirrels gender in most instances rather than saying "it". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago In my experience (and I'm sure this varies by region) it's about 50/50 whether someone will call most animals or anthropomorphized objects "he" or "it". (Cats are a big exception in that they're usually "she" even from people who know it's a boy cat.) So for me "it" is just the most natural thing, with male-as-default being second and also problematic in its own way. Maybe someday I'll like a neopronoun. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago In my experience (and I'm sure this varies by region) it's about 50/50 whether someone will call most animals or anthropomorphized objects "he" or "it". (Cats are a big exception in that they're usually "she" even from people who know it's a boy cat.) So for me "it" is just the most natural thing, with male-as-default being second and also problematic in its own way. Maybe someday I'll like a neopronoun. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? https://aria.dog/barks/on-being-a-thing/ 😅 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago You should have answered with more empathy for its feelings. Jesus Christ told us to love our neighbours. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's your choice. Do what you want. Damn the haters to sheol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago The haters are the root of the problem, but it's not like I'm not using it/its because I'm afraid of being scolded or made fun of. It's unfortunately tied to dehumanization in the sense that not being human is a bad thing, and that makes it fun for bigots to say and uncomfortable for good people to say. I lament the situation, but I also accept the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 months ago The haters are the root of the problem, but it's not like I'm not using it/its because I'm afraid of being scolded or made fun of. It's unfortunately tied to dehumanization in the sense that not being human is a bad thing, and that makes it fun for bigots to say and uncomfortable for good people to say. I lament the situation, but I also accept the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago Based based based based based ...Waow permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What a tasteful website design permalink fedilink source parent
