Saw some posts about .ml today and thought I'd jump on the bandwagon lol

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[–] 52 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (64 children)

I kinda feel like Lemmy has been much more hostile recently. I don’t know if it’s bots or if I just post bad comments, but it makes me want to go back to just being a lurker.

EDIT: I was waiting for it to happen in this thread. Try to be positive and say something nice about the angry people, get downvotes. Haha. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    It's not just you. People will wilfully misinterpret what I'm saying to their liking, sometimes accusing me of nonsense. Some others will jump in out of nowhere as if I owe them money. I have some asshole in my notifications right now trying to defend another asshole for some reason. The best part is how I'm the one getting downvoted for defending myself and calling them out on it.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I've noticed people just back the person speaking the most strongly or is insulting harder as if those are tactics used by people who are commonly right.

    Honestly even here on lemmy you get how Trump won.
    Even here people can't help supporting the person acting like they are superior.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    These are trolls. We're not immune to trolls here on Lemmy. They have a schedule that can be tracked, lol.

    • Don't take it personal
    • Downvote them
    • Leave one or two comments at most setting the record straight
    • Find something more interesting to discuss in another comment or thread.
    • Don't take it personal or think it's all of Lemmy.

    Any online space is going to have these trolls, but especially a space that's kind of bucking the system and can't be as easily controlled.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    This is awkward but... I think you owe me money.

    The whole karma thing is one of the worst inventions in the internet. The whole upvote if you agree downvote if you don't it's stupid and should be eliminated, no one cares what you vote, if you have something to add reply, if no keep reading, nod your head up and down or left and right and move on.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Oh, I don't care about the points, I'll still reply in whatever manner I like anyway. It's at least some indicator of how your comment comes across to readers. It's just funny that I win the unpopularity contest for simply defending myself while the other person is spewing bullshit.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (28 children)

    As a relative newcomer, I've felt and read a lot of hostility on Lemmy. Reddit felt smug, but not unfriendly.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Block early and often is practically the motto of Lemmy. Many people got banned from Reddit for a reason, and then they all came here. People with a conscience also came here too, but there's definitely a lot of noise amidst the signal.

    And moderation tools here suck, so it's much less regulated overall, which is somewhat a good thing but then people don't want to discuss the bad side where people straight-up leave here as a result, as evidenced by e.g. the Monthly Active User counts in decline and also comments in spaces such as r/RedditAlternatives.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I think people leave because of the lack of niche communities.

    Reddit niche communities are like crack. None of the fandom communities are active here.

    Does piefed have good moderation tools?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    From an instance admins perspective, yes.

    Otherwise it's about on-par at a community moderation level. It has a few other things but they don't present as viewed from Lemmy, mitigating their utility at the moment.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I've gotten suspended from Reddit for hurting fascist's feelings, most recently because I said what I wished had happened to the leaders of the confederacy.

    Reddit will let blatant hate speech and active calls for violence against minorities stand as "not violating any rules" and the only reason any of the subreddits aren't overran by that crap is the individual subreddit mods remove comments and ban people, but that only goes so far as they are all unpaid volunteers.

    The kind of people that do get banned by Reddit for being bigots have to say stuff that would actually get them in legal trouble, and usually those are the ones that are actively threatening specific people all the time because they think death threats are an effective debate tactic when they don't know what they are talking about, and they never know what they are talking about.

    Those people end up being a special kind of asshole so when they come to Lemmy they end up doing the same, but with federation they tend to endup more on the openly fascist instances that most sane instances don't federate with.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Not sure when you last visited, but reddit's hostility is almost worse than twitter these days lol

    Saw someone get dogpiled with neonazi aryan rhetoric from several users for saying they "prefer curly hair", it's like its own MAGA cult now.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Also, Reddit admins regularly suspend/ban anyone marginally on the left when we say we will defend ourselves or when we express opinions about certain dead fascists or in my most recent suspension: Said the confederate leaders should have gotten the same treatment they gave to runaway slaves.

    Reddit only bans fascists/conservatives when they do something that could get them in legal trouble. But anyone on the left, and especially anyone queer, even slightly arguing we might need to defend ourselves from their violence with our own will get banned extremely quick.

    Remember: Reddit didn't take down subreddits dedicated to perving on children until it got in the news.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It wasn’t always like this. I feel like it’s really been in the last 3ish months. Hopefully it’ll pass.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    it's probably just getting more popular

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    I hope so! I suspect the hostility will pass when American politics becomes less life or death.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    it's only gotten worse far as i'v been alive. bar only ever gets lower, not sure how they lower it from trump...alex jones/tucker carlson ticket for 2028, perhaps?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Nick Fuentes / The Literal Ghost of Hitler

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Candice Owens/Milo Yiannopoulos

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "If you don't vote for Owens, you're voting for Fuentez!"

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    "Not getting a Nazi isn't an option. But what we can control is whether we get a Strasserist Nazi or a Hitlerite Nazi. Clearly, you have a moral responsibility to support the Strasserist."

    (It's getting harder and harder to do parodies because a lot of people would unironically agree with that.)

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Everything everywhere is becoming them vs us. Red vs blue, north vs south, east vs west, their color vs my color, their party vs my party, their opinion vs our opinion, your region vs my region, your problems vs my problems. Everywhere.

    And we are all losing except the people that have always been winning.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, people have been getting a bit touchy and on occasion misinterpret an innocuous comment as an attack.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I've seen a number of accounts that seem to harp on a single topic, grow increasingly adversarial if you dispute or refute anything posted, and eventually just start screaming insults until you block them.

    This feels like very old-school early '10s era Reddit, where the Admins don't do more than the high level stuff to keep the site operational, the Mods are as overworked as they are short-tempered, and a handful of power users dictate the content of any given channel by spamming it with whatever media supports their personal grudges.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I said that the same people were bad as this other commenter but I mentioned that maybe instead of hating them, like the bad people do to us, we might want to approach the situation with a little more nuance and uphold empathic viewpoints for everyone not just people who agree with what we agree with and they told me the bad people shouldn't get any sort of empathy because they do bad things.

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