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Hello just making a poll, which one do you prefer? personally I prefer x265 but since the rarbg falldown i've seen that almost all 1080p rips are in x264, what do you think about that, and do you recommend any place to find more x265 content beside those in the megathread?

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

x265 no contest, all day every day. Then again we should probably be migrating to AV1 ASAP

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it has to reach a bit more device saturation before encoders jump to it. But yeah AV1 is much better for everyone. Having AOM there to work on it and protect it is a good bonus. Pirates and Netflix on the same team there lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I guess I'll have to see if my TV really can decode AV1 then, as my nvidia shield definitely won't

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The trouble with AV1 is that it's about a decade behind h.265 in terms of hardware support. Most people aren't upgrading their gpus every single generation, so by the time AV1-compatible hardware starts to see significant market share, it's pretty likely that h.266-compatible hardware will be on the market as well.

Of course, there's also software encoders; but benchmarks of current software encoders put av1 anywhere between 50-1000x slower than x265 for comparable quality and bitrate.

It's definitely cool that people are working on a royalty-free video codec, but h.265 is the undeniable king for the time being.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd agree with you except that my LG CX already supports AV1. Now I don't know the numbers, but I do know these LG OLED TVs are pretty popular

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No arguments about it being a good TV, but the vast majority of people do not have shiny new LG oled TV's. Hell, most people are still using old 1080p lcd's without any smart TV features, and the people who have got new TV's over the past few years tend to skew heavily towards buying relatively cheap 4k TV's that may not have any smart TV features (after all; if i already have a roku/apple tv/chromecast/etc that covers all of my streaming needs, why would I pay a huge premium to get these features a second time?)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah but don't most streaming services already provide multiple formats depending on client compatibility? HEVC is cool and all and AFAIK pretty much a requirement for anything UHD, but if Netflix et al can instead send AV1 (like they could if I ran netflix directly on my TV) then that would further reduce their bandwidth requirements. I don't know how long it will take for AV1 to achieve enough market penetration for it to be worth it to them, but here's to hoping it'll be sooner rather than later

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Netflix rolled out av1 support for a handful of Samsung smart TV's about a year and a half ago, then kinda shoved the project under the rug and never mentioned it again. My guess is that the added costs of having to store their entire library twice plus having to re-encode everything made it uneconomical. Besides, av1 doesn't have a bandwidth advantage over h.265; all of the comparisons that Google likes to use to show off the codec are av1 vs h.264, which is pretty sneaky and misleading imo.