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so...that was the secret all along?
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Look, putting up your own solar panels is great and i'm all for it. But it's no substitute for a national power grid connected to actual power stations. Scale always wins in the end. Relying on individual people to put up and maintain their own solar panels is like the backyard furnaces experiment in the Mao era. A necessary step if you're poor or trying to catch up technologically, or if you're too disorganized to do anything but decentralized anarchy, but eventually you do have to build industrial scale facilities on a centrally planned network.
Except this question is pegged at Americans most of whom can afford to install a solar power grid yet choose not to because of a lack of care for the planet
dawg how fucking rich do you think we are
most Americans would be homeless if credit cards didn't exist
Avocado toast ass argument
Yeah, don't the majority of USians not even have a few hundred dollars saved for an emergency expense?
Most people are normal middle class middle aged dudes who absolutely have the money to buy solar most Americans arent blue collar theyre white collar
Middle class isn't a real class though, its a capitalist propoganda fiction. Second I fail to see what "collar" job someone is working, unless you are using it as shorthand for the income being made. In my personal experience, using white vs Blue collar, or trade vs profession, does more to devide the working class, especially in the states than grow class solitary. Third even understanding that this would only be aimed at the home owning population of the US, so that skews more wealthy, all reports I can find say anywhere from 54% to 60% of US home owners cannot afford regular maintainence in their home (https://todayshomeowner.com/general/guides/home-repair-survey/) (https://www.groundworks.com/resources/do-you-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-major-home-repair/) (https://www.jchs.harvard.edu/blog/home-repairs-are-out-reach-many-lower-income-homeowners) Given this is unable to do full repair and maintenance, I doubt that it wpuld be reasonable to assume they could afford to put up addition infrustructure on their house.
What solidarity exactly? How do their interests align with mine, If I want America to scale back its production so I can afford to live on this shitty rock will any American accept that offer seriously ask yourself that
What I am saying is I have not found, in any context deviding workers into White Vs. Blue or Professional vs Tradsman is antithetical to building any class cohesion, as it only pushes on an interclass devide. We cannot hope to build a working class movement when we contenue to add divisions.
As for your second point that is over the topic of imperalism, while yes the United States, and many of if not most of the citizens of the US significantly benefit from this imperalism. That should not catagoricaly refuse them the benefit of an attempt to build class solidarity even if it is unlikely. I cannot speak for "All" USians, however I am sure that in the 3rd most populous nation I would be able to find atleast 1 person who is willing to make that deal.
On your comment of "Scale back its production" I do need more specificity, because the United States has been offshoring quite a bit of its production, and has started to cause some domestic friction at the least.
Lastly none of this pertains to the primary point of my previous post, namely being most Americans, who own houses, cannot afford to put up solar panels on their house, regardless of if they wanted to.
Most people are literally not "normal middle class middle aged dudes" what are you talking about?