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[–] 8 points 8 months ago (8 children)

yeah it usually tastes bad. idk how people delude themselves into liking it.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    It’s an acquired taste. Do you think people “delude” themselves into liking coffee and spicy foods too? Most people just need to drink a couple and they will begin to enjoy it as their pallet adapts and becomes more sophisticated

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    my parents are white midwesterners and i liked spicy food the first time, thanks.

    sophisticated

    fuck outta here lol. forcing yourself to like something you didn't like the first time isn't sophistication it's conformity.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Appreciating a wider variety and depth of flavor is indeed sophistication. There’s no virtue inherent to being close minded about food, while the inverse is not true - being open minded and willing to try and appreciate new things and gain new acquired tastes is a positive trait. You sound like a tourist who goes to a new country and complains about the food being terrible because you don’t have the acquired taste. It’s just close-minded and chauvinistic to assume you are right and have the perfect pallet already and everyone else is just wrong and stupid for liking things.

    It’s fine to try new things and dislike it and not personally enjoy something. It’s not ok to proclaim your taste as the objective truth of reality and mock and shame people who do like it, or to refuse to try new things.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    there's no virtue to eating something you didn't like. why is the first impression less valid than forcing yourself? sounds like some neurotypical bullshit invented to enforce norms.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Yea only neurotypical people are capable of eating a variety of food or experiencing new cultures. You are so right

    If white tourists visit my country and refuse to even try our food I will see that as an insult to our culture and very small-minded and immature of them, and most others see it that way too. It has nothing to do with being “neurotypical” it has to do with a willingness to step outside your own cultural bounds and experience other people’s perspectives and cultures

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    refuse to even try our food

    stopping you there, that's not what i've been talking about at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh sorry, try it and then proclaim its objectively disgusting and everyone who likes it is lying - as you did in the top comment. That’s even worse. Goes from passive immaturity into full on chauvinism and childish behavior and disrespect.

    Refusing to try other cultures is immaturity and petulance. Trying it once and then proclaiming it objectively disgusting and those who like it are liars is chauvinism and arrogance.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    trying it once and then proclaiming it objectively disgusting

    i have tried several varieties of alcoholic beverage and the overwhelming majority of them taste like shit. it's not a one and done evaluation, but refusing to try additional beers after spitting out the first one is valid, and i'd say more valid than keeping on going until you forget not liking it.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago*

    It’s valid to not like something. It’s not valid to say “they taste like shit” objectively and everyone else is wrong. This isn’t that complicated but you really want to justify your childish petulance and incuriosity as a virtue. You have a fundamental logical failure of mixing up subjective taste and objectivity, which is common among children who haven’t developed theory of mind.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    the "everyone with different subjective tastes than me is delusional" tone of this comment is incredibly reddit

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago*

    It would be one thing if they were just making a hyperbolic statements as a joke, but they have doubled down in calling everyone else liars for having different tastes than them - and even murderers now, using their “dead friends” (presumably from alcoholism) to try and bludgeon their way to a pointless debate victory. Very redditor coded behavior

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Taste is subjective, it's the same with all sorts of things. It's like coffee, some people hate the taste, some people will only drink it with milk/cream/sugar, and some people like the taste of coffee all on its own. What tastes delicious to one person can be disgusting to another, both are correct.

    Edit: people can even have preferences within categories of drinks. Sticking with the coffee example, I don't like darker roasts because they just taste burnt to me, but medium/light roasts have a better flavour. It's similar with beer, personally I'm not a fan of domestic beers like Coors/bud/Molson but there are other beers that are pretty tasty, but again it's to each their own

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Having to explain the difference between subjective tastes and objectivity to children who haven’t yet developed theory of mind and think their immediate visceral reaction is fundamental truth is kind of hilarious. My five year old niece is more mature and understanding of other mindsets and tastes than the people in this thread

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I actually like the taste and drink it to enjoy it. Mind you I usually only drink 1-2 beers a month when I go out for dinner as a treat. I even try different types of beer and some types I like more or less than others.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    One of my most unpopular takes is that toxic masculinity is at the root of people pretending to like/deluding themselves into liking beer

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    is it really that hard for you to imagine that other people like things you don't like? breathtakingly solipsistic

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    beer being independently invented in multiple cultures by various peoples

    Uh aktually, people have just been pretending to like beer for 13 millennia. Every beer ever made tastes exactly like that warm cup of Budweiser my dad gave me this one time when I was 10 years old.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Beer is good, this is so silly and childish of an outlook. People having personal tastes isn’t a misogynist conspiracy it’s a fact of life

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    too many people who don't like their first beer keep drinking until they like it because of shitty social norms that literally get people killed but ok

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You are so childish and ignorant

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah they are dead because people forced them to like the taste of beer? What a stupid and infantile attempt at an argument. Alcoholism is a disease with a lot more complex causes than the taste of a single type of alcohol being acquired. Alcoholics don’t get drunk because they like the taste, they do it because they have an addiction which fills a void, is used to cope or deal with despair.

    Now tell me, do you think your friends who tragically passed from addiction and disease and despair would appreciate being used by you as a bludgeon to win unrelated pointless online arguments? Don’t you think you are being wildly disrespectful and out of line?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They died of "the taste of beer which they forced themselves to like"? Or maybe you are being really fucking disrespectful to them by misusing their memories this way.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    nah man. peer pressure including that "force yourself to keep drinking it" shit is about as directly responsible as it gets.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Then blame peer pressure, not the concept of an acquired taste. Learning to enjoy something you didn't like the first time is not the problem here.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    or we could normalize not continuing to consume things you don't like, and then a whole lot of people would drink a lot less

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, and if we normalise not snorting things you don't like the smell of people would do less cocaine!

    Or maybe that's not how substance abuse works. As someone in treatment for addiction who forced my DOC into me to the point of serious pain... You're being ridiculous. Alcohol is a drug. People who drink to excess are not, as a rule, concerned with how their drinks taste. If someone is drinking A Lot, they don't give half a shit how it tastes. "Acquired taste" isn't the problem here. Someone realising after multiple tastings that actually blue cheese tastes good has less than nothing to do with people drinking to excess.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    i'm talking about before people have the opportunity to become addicted. if you think your first beer tastes horrible and you don't have a culture of forcing yourself to like things to fit in and people taking "nah i didn't like that" as an answer and not pressing you about it then you don't have 17 year olds drinking until they like it and then crashing a car.

    yeah once somebody's already an alcoholic it doesn't matter and they'll drink the worst cheapest swill but how many people could've just abided their first impression and never developed a problem?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    probably some of that yeah, but i think toxic masculinity is a subset of fitting in with the cool kids kinda shit because women do it too and highschool girls generally aren't trying to prove their manliness.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ehh, I think the acquired taste comments are true, but I used to think I liked double IPAs, but that was out of wanting to get drunk cheap and quick, nowadays I like a good stout or porter cause most of them taste like dark chocolate.

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