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[–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

One of my most unpopular takes is that toxic masculinity is at the root of people pretending to like/deluding themselves into liking beer

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    is it really that hard for you to imagine that other people like things you don't like? breathtakingly solipsistic

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    beer being independently invented in multiple cultures by various peoples

    Uh aktually, people have just been pretending to like beer for 13 millennia. Every beer ever made tastes exactly like that warm cup of Budweiser my dad gave me this one time when I was 10 years old.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Beer is good, this is so silly and childish of an outlook. People having personal tastes isn’t a misogynist conspiracy it’s a fact of life

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    too many people who don't like their first beer keep drinking until they like it because of shitty social norms that literally get people killed but ok

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You are so childish and ignorant

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah they are dead because people forced them to like the taste of beer? What a stupid and infantile attempt at an argument. Alcoholism is a disease with a lot more complex causes than the taste of a single type of alcohol being acquired. Alcoholics don’t get drunk because they like the taste, they do it because they have an addiction which fills a void, is used to cope or deal with despair.

    Now tell me, do you think your friends who tragically passed from addiction and disease and despair would appreciate being used by you as a bludgeon to win unrelated pointless online arguments? Don’t you think you are being wildly disrespectful and out of line?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They died of "the taste of beer which they forced themselves to like"? Or maybe you are being really fucking disrespectful to them by misusing their memories this way.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    nah man. peer pressure including that "force yourself to keep drinking it" shit is about as directly responsible as it gets.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Then blame peer pressure, not the concept of an acquired taste. Learning to enjoy something you didn't like the first time is not the problem here.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    or we could normalize not continuing to consume things you don't like, and then a whole lot of people would drink a lot less

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, and if we normalise not snorting things you don't like the smell of people would do less cocaine!

    Or maybe that's not how substance abuse works. As someone in treatment for addiction who forced my DOC into me to the point of serious pain... You're being ridiculous. Alcohol is a drug. People who drink to excess are not, as a rule, concerned with how their drinks taste. If someone is drinking A Lot, they don't give half a shit how it tastes. "Acquired taste" isn't the problem here. Someone realising after multiple tastings that actually blue cheese tastes good has less than nothing to do with people drinking to excess.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    i'm talking about before people have the opportunity to become addicted. if you think your first beer tastes horrible and you don't have a culture of forcing yourself to like things to fit in and people taking "nah i didn't like that" as an answer and not pressing you about it then you don't have 17 year olds drinking until they like it and then crashing a car.

    yeah once somebody's already an alcoholic it doesn't matter and they'll drink the worst cheapest swill but how many people could've just abided their first impression and never developed a problem?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    probably some of that yeah, but i think toxic masculinity is a subset of fitting in with the cool kids kinda shit because women do it too and highschool girls generally aren't trying to prove their manliness.

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