β² 439 βΌ Leaked documents claim 'US wants to convince four countries to quit EU' in bid to 'Make Europe Great Again' (www.lbc.co.uk) submitted 8 months ago by Foni@lemmy.zip to c/europe@feddit.org 169 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/38211357
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) would never allow Putin to take over. Putin doesnβt need to take over when his deputy is already running the country I mean that Trump is no deputy with not 'taking over'. If trump would be a deputy, the elections would have been pushed in different directions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I don't see why. People took a fairly partisan view over whether it was true that trump had Russian help in the election and I think trump is right that he would get away with shooting someone in the street and his base would still support him. I don't think being in the Epstein files is what's hurting him, it's not releasing them. I think it has embarrassed him to have given a blowjob to "bubba" but I don't think it has harmed his rating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The billionaires would have pushed a different candidate and Trump would have never been elected. The ads are one thing, but the reporting is the important part. If the newspapers and networks had focussed on another candidate, that candidate would have won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) That's just restating your conclusion, not explaining why. What on earth have oligarchs and plutocrats to fear from the russian oligarchy form of government being installed in the USA by putin's man trump? Further wealth? Uncurbed power and influence? No, they fear none of this. Consequences are for the little people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child) How do billionaires have influence on Trump if he is installed by Putin? They already have uncurbed power. They would lose that if Putin got involved. In Europe, Putin would love to sell gas, as do American billionaires. Only one can have the profits or they have to share. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I love how hard you try to convince me of things that I know you know that I know are false. You started off "but when did I ever day anything incorrect?" by now it's just one big bullshit factory! Which part of tax breaks for rich people are you struggling to understand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The part where Putin can offer anything to the billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I don't see why. People took a fairly partisan view over whether it was true that trump had Russian help in the election and I think trump is right that he would get away with shooting someone in the street and his base would still support him. I don't think being in the Epstein files is what's hurting him, it's not releasing them. I think it has embarrassed him to have given a blowjob to "bubba" but I don't think it has harmed his rating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The billionaires would have pushed a different candidate and Trump would have never been elected. The ads are one thing, but the reporting is the important part. If the newspapers and networks had focussed on another candidate, that candidate would have won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) That's just restating your conclusion, not explaining why. What on earth have oligarchs and plutocrats to fear from the russian oligarchy form of government being installed in the USA by putin's man trump? Further wealth? Uncurbed power and influence? No, they fear none of this. Consequences are for the little people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child) How do billionaires have influence on Trump if he is installed by Putin? They already have uncurbed power. They would lose that if Putin got involved. In Europe, Putin would love to sell gas, as do American billionaires. Only one can have the profits or they have to share. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I love how hard you try to convince me of things that I know you know that I know are false. You started off "but when did I ever day anything incorrect?" by now it's just one big bullshit factory! Which part of tax breaks for rich people are you struggling to understand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The part where Putin can offer anything to the billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The billionaires would have pushed a different candidate and Trump would have never been elected. The ads are one thing, but the reporting is the important part. If the newspapers and networks had focussed on another candidate, that candidate would have won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) That's just restating your conclusion, not explaining why. What on earth have oligarchs and plutocrats to fear from the russian oligarchy form of government being installed in the USA by putin's man trump? Further wealth? Uncurbed power and influence? No, they fear none of this. Consequences are for the little people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child) How do billionaires have influence on Trump if he is installed by Putin? They already have uncurbed power. They would lose that if Putin got involved. In Europe, Putin would love to sell gas, as do American billionaires. Only one can have the profits or they have to share. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I love how hard you try to convince me of things that I know you know that I know are false. You started off "but when did I ever day anything incorrect?" by now it's just one big bullshit factory! Which part of tax breaks for rich people are you struggling to understand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The part where Putin can offer anything to the billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) That's just restating your conclusion, not explaining why. What on earth have oligarchs and plutocrats to fear from the russian oligarchy form of government being installed in the USA by putin's man trump? Further wealth? Uncurbed power and influence? No, they fear none of this. Consequences are for the little people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child) How do billionaires have influence on Trump if he is installed by Putin? They already have uncurbed power. They would lose that if Putin got involved. In Europe, Putin would love to sell gas, as do American billionaires. Only one can have the profits or they have to share. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I love how hard you try to convince me of things that I know you know that I know are false. You started off "but when did I ever day anything incorrect?" by now it's just one big bullshit factory! Which part of tax breaks for rich people are you struggling to understand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The part where Putin can offer anything to the billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child) How do billionaires have influence on Trump if he is installed by Putin? They already have uncurbed power. They would lose that if Putin got involved. In Europe, Putin would love to sell gas, as do American billionaires. Only one can have the profits or they have to share. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I love how hard you try to convince me of things that I know you know that I know are false. You started off "but when did I ever day anything incorrect?" by now it's just one big bullshit factory! Which part of tax breaks for rich people are you struggling to understand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The part where Putin can offer anything to the billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) I love how hard you try to convince me of things that I know you know that I know are false. You started off "but when did I ever day anything incorrect?" by now it's just one big bullshit factory! Which part of tax breaks for rich people are you struggling to understand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The part where Putin can offer anything to the billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The part where Putin can offer anything to the billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Via trump, because that's the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why would the US billionaires accept a middle man? They own the newspapers and networks to decide the election. Why accept Trump if they can have their own candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Whoa, your argument took a 180 pretty quick there! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent