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As a disabled person, I face ableism and ableist language every day. Some people use ableist language without even knowing that it is ableist. I thought it would be good for folks to take a look at the attached BBC article and expand their perspectives a bit.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If nobody is trying to be offensive, and deaf people (one of whom wrote the linked article) are saying that using “deaf” in this way is offensive, and you continue to use it because you don’t care… you’re being offensive. Is it really so hard to change the language you use?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Intent is everything and if someone is clearly not using a word with the intent to offend you, you being offended is a YOU problem, not a them problem.

And before you go say shit like able people can't know how bad it feels.

1, I'm not "abled".
2. I've had people call me these words meaning to offend and hurt me. THAT actually does hurt. These words being used without any intention to hurt or offend anyone, doesn't matter to me at all.

And sometimes, using those words to offend is perfectly appropriate to express what you want to convey.

Like how many Americans have absolutely retarded levels of overblown reactions with a word like cunt.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Intent is actually not everything. Legally speaking, if I run over a person with a car and they die, I can’t get away with it by saying, “well, I didn’t intend to kill them, so there shouldn’t be a consequence”. The impact of that person’s death is greater. It’s not murder, but it’s still manslaughter.

Ableist language is the same: it still causes harm, but obviously not harm to the body.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Legally speaking, if you didn’t intend to kill them it actually does change the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a lot of two vehicle, or pedestrian, traffic fatalities that don't result in manslaughter charges.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8973010/man-lying-in-road-hit-car-killed-comox-valley-rcmp/

To date, no charges have been laid.

Intent is huge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Even if no charges are laid, someone is dead. The intent to kill wasn’t there, but the impact is that someone is dead. It doesn’t matter if a person didn’t mean to kill someone, but again, someone is dead.

This is why impact matters far more than intent. This is an extreme example, but it still applies in all situations. Someone might want to argue their way out of offending someone else, but the damage has already been done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the valid to the discussion case you said something with no intent to harm or insult anyone and you didn't harm them, they decided you harmed them.

In the case of a car accident, you literally fucking killed someone.

It's Apples and Oranges, a false equivalence argument that goes straight into the trash.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Both are about impact vs intent. Both are about harm. I’m sorry you can’t see that.

If I accidentally spill hot coffee on you and say that it was an accident, you’re still going to be upset. You’d be more upset if I said I did it on purpose, but let’s not pretend that being offensive accidentally is okay.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

So, "You aren't abled"

You are just a smug prick.

Gotcha.