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[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 333 points 9 months ago (4 children) I feel like I am getting trolled Isn't 17 the actual right answer? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NewDark@lemmings.world 167 points 9 months ago (1 child) Exactly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 130 points 9 months ago (5 children) So it's just an unfunny meme? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NewDark@lemmings.world 97 points 9 months ago (1 child) I think it's meant to play with your expectations. Normally someone's take being posted is to show them being confidently stupid, otherwise it isn't as interesting and doesn't go viral.However, because we're primed to view it from that lens, we feel crazy to think we're doing the math correctly and getting the "wrong answer" from what we assume is the "confident dipshit". There's layers beyond the superficial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 24 points 9 months ago I fell for it. It's crazy to think how heavily I've been trained to believe everything I see is wrong in the most embarrassing and laughable way possible. That's pretty depressing if you think about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 20 points 9 months ago As most memes are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago Not even a meme. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] marcos@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago (6 children) Some people insist there's no "correct" order for the basic arithmetic operations. And worse, some people insist the correct order is parenthesis first, then left to right. Both of those sets of people are wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children) Hopefully you can see where their confusion might come from, though. PEMDAS is more P-E-MD-AS. If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct. A lot of like, firstgrader math problems are just basic problems that are usually left to right (but should have some extras to highlight PEMDAS somewhere I'd hope). So they're mostly telling you they only remember as much math as a small child that barely passed math exercizes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children) If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right doesn't matter. 1 + 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 + 1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) True, but as with many things, something has to be the rule for processing it. For many teachers as I've heard, order of appearance is 'the rule' when commutative properties apply. ... at least until algebra demands simplification, but that's a different topic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) something has to be the rule for processing it Well the rule is: any order goes. Summation is commutative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago* No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear. OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (6 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (11 children) PE(MD)(AS) Now just remember to account for those parentheses first... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago Huh I just remembered the orders of arithmetic but parentheses trump all so do them first (I use them in even the calculator app). Mean I assume that's that that says but never learned that acronym is all. Now figuring out categories of words;really does my noodle in sometimes. Cause some words can be either depending on context. Math when it's written out has (mostly) the same answer. I say mostly because somewhere in the back of my brain there are some scenarios where something more complicated than straight arithmetic can come out oddly but written as such should come out the same. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago (11 children) I mean, arithmetic order is just convention, not a mathematical truth. But that convention works in the way we know, yes, because that's what's.. well.. convention permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children) There is no answer. Because there is no question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) That is a problem, tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] polydactyl@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago I know the solution permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [+] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 23 points 9 months ago (6 children) Yeah I know that. But I was feeling confused as to why it was here. That's why I was feeling trolled, because it made me doubt basic math for being posted in a memes community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (22 children) They did the joke wrong. To do it right you need to use the ÷ symbol. Because people never use that after they learn fractions, people treat things like a + b ÷ c + d as a + b ----- c + d Or (a + b) ÷ (c + d) when they should be treating it as a + (b ÷ c) + d. That's the most common one of these "troll math" tricks. Because notating as a + b + d - c Is much more common and useful. So people get used to grouping everything around the division operator as if they're in parentheses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (3 children) Or 12 / 2(6) And trying to argue this is 36. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago* (20 children) Now that's a good troll math thing because it gets really deep into the weeds of mathematical notation. There isn't one true order of operations that is objectively correct, and on top of that, that's hardly the way most people would write that. As in, if you wrote that by hand, you wouldn't use the / symbol. You'd either use ÷ or a proper fraction. It's a good candidate for nerd sniping. Personally, I'd call that 36 as written given the context you're saying it in, instead of calling it 1. But I'd say it's ambiguous and you should notate in a way to avoid ambiguities. Especially if you're in the camp of multiplication like a(b) being different from ab and/or a × b. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) The P in PEMDAS means to solve everything within parentheses first; there is no "distribution" step or rule that says multiplying without a visible operator other than parentheses comes first. So yes, 36 is valid here. It's mostly because PEMDAS never shows up in the same context as this sort of multiplication or large fractions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago Well, now you might be running into syntax issues instead of PEMDAS issues depending on what they're confused about. If it's 12 over 2*6, it's 1. If it's 12 ÷ 2 x 6, it's 36. A lot of people try a bunch of funky stuff to represent fractions in text form (like mixing spaces and no spaces) when they should just be treating it like a programmer has to, and use parenthesis if it's a complex fraction in basic text form. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 9 months ago Alternatively, the poster calculated the wrong answer, thus assuming this guy was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago Gotcha gotcha, sorry permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 167 points 9 months ago (1 child) Exactly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 130 points 9 months ago (5 children) So it's just an unfunny meme? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NewDark@lemmings.world 97 points 9 months ago (1 child) I think it's meant to play with your expectations. Normally someone's take being posted is to show them being confidently stupid, otherwise it isn't as interesting and doesn't go viral.However, because we're primed to view it from that lens, we feel crazy to think we're doing the math correctly and getting the "wrong answer" from what we assume is the "confident dipshit". There's layers beyond the superficial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 24 points 9 months ago I fell for it. It's crazy to think how heavily I've been trained to believe everything I see is wrong in the most embarrassing and laughable way possible. That's pretty depressing if you think about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 20 points 9 months ago As most memes are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago Not even a meme. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 130 points 9 months ago (5 children) So it's just an unfunny meme? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NewDark@lemmings.world 97 points 9 months ago (1 child) I think it's meant to play with your expectations. Normally someone's take being posted is to show them being confidently stupid, otherwise it isn't as interesting and doesn't go viral.However, because we're primed to view it from that lens, we feel crazy to think we're doing the math correctly and getting the "wrong answer" from what we assume is the "confident dipshit". There's layers beyond the superficial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 24 points 9 months ago I fell for it. It's crazy to think how heavily I've been trained to believe everything I see is wrong in the most embarrassing and laughable way possible. That's pretty depressing if you think about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 20 points 9 months ago As most memes are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago Not even a meme. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 97 points 9 months ago (1 child) I think it's meant to play with your expectations. Normally someone's take being posted is to show them being confidently stupid, otherwise it isn't as interesting and doesn't go viral.However, because we're primed to view it from that lens, we feel crazy to think we're doing the math correctly and getting the "wrong answer" from what we assume is the "confident dipshit". There's layers beyond the superficial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 24 points 9 months ago I fell for it. It's crazy to think how heavily I've been trained to believe everything I see is wrong in the most embarrassing and laughable way possible. That's pretty depressing if you think about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 24 points 9 months ago I fell for it. It's crazy to think how heavily I've been trained to believe everything I see is wrong in the most embarrassing and laughable way possible. That's pretty depressing if you think about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 20 points 9 months ago As most memes are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago (6 children) Some people insist there's no "correct" order for the basic arithmetic operations. And worse, some people insist the correct order is parenthesis first, then left to right. Both of those sets of people are wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children) Hopefully you can see where their confusion might come from, though. PEMDAS is more P-E-MD-AS. If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct. A lot of like, firstgrader math problems are just basic problems that are usually left to right (but should have some extras to highlight PEMDAS somewhere I'd hope). So they're mostly telling you they only remember as much math as a small child that barely passed math exercizes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children) If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right doesn't matter. 1 + 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 + 1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) True, but as with many things, something has to be the rule for processing it. For many teachers as I've heard, order of appearance is 'the rule' when commutative properties apply. ... at least until algebra demands simplification, but that's a different topic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) something has to be the rule for processing it Well the rule is: any order goes. Summation is commutative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago* No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear. OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (6 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (11 children) PE(MD)(AS) Now just remember to account for those parentheses first... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago Huh I just remembered the orders of arithmetic but parentheses trump all so do them first (I use them in even the calculator app). Mean I assume that's that that says but never learned that acronym is all. Now figuring out categories of words;really does my noodle in sometimes. Cause some words can be either depending on context. Math when it's written out has (mostly) the same answer. I say mostly because somewhere in the back of my brain there are some scenarios where something more complicated than straight arithmetic can come out oddly but written as such should come out the same. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago (11 children) I mean, arithmetic order is just convention, not a mathematical truth. But that convention works in the way we know, yes, because that's what's.. well.. convention permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) load more comments (4 replies)
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children) Hopefully you can see where their confusion might come from, though. PEMDAS is more P-E-MD-AS. If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct. A lot of like, firstgrader math problems are just basic problems that are usually left to right (but should have some extras to highlight PEMDAS somewhere I'd hope). So they're mostly telling you they only remember as much math as a small child that barely passed math exercizes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children) If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right doesn't matter. 1 + 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 + 1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) True, but as with many things, something has to be the rule for processing it. For many teachers as I've heard, order of appearance is 'the rule' when commutative properties apply. ... at least until algebra demands simplification, but that's a different topic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) something has to be the rule for processing it Well the rule is: any order goes. Summation is commutative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago* No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear. OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (6 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (11 children) PE(MD)(AS) Now just remember to account for those parentheses first... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago Huh I just remembered the orders of arithmetic but parentheses trump all so do them first (I use them in even the calculator app). Mean I assume that's that that says but never learned that acronym is all. Now figuring out categories of words;really does my noodle in sometimes. Cause some words can be either depending on context. Math when it's written out has (mostly) the same answer. I say mostly because somewhere in the back of my brain there are some scenarios where something more complicated than straight arithmetic can come out oddly but written as such should come out the same. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children) If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right doesn't matter. 1 + 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 + 1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) True, but as with many things, something has to be the rule for processing it. For many teachers as I've heard, order of appearance is 'the rule' when commutative properties apply. ... at least until algebra demands simplification, but that's a different topic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) something has to be the rule for processing it Well the rule is: any order goes. Summation is commutative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago* No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear. OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (6 replies)
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) True, but as with many things, something has to be the rule for processing it. For many teachers as I've heard, order of appearance is 'the rule' when commutative properties apply. ... at least until algebra demands simplification, but that's a different topic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) something has to be the rule for processing it Well the rule is: any order goes. Summation is commutative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago* No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear. OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) something has to be the rule for processing it Well the rule is: any order goes. Summation is commutative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago* No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear. OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago* No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear. OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (11 children) PE(MD)(AS) Now just remember to account for those parentheses first... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies)
[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago Huh I just remembered the orders of arithmetic but parentheses trump all so do them first (I use them in even the calculator app). Mean I assume that's that that says but never learned that acronym is all. Now figuring out categories of words;really does my noodle in sometimes. Cause some words can be either depending on context. Math when it's written out has (mostly) the same answer. I say mostly because somewhere in the back of my brain there are some scenarios where something more complicated than straight arithmetic can come out oddly but written as such should come out the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago (11 children) I mean, arithmetic order is just convention, not a mathematical truth. But that convention works in the way we know, yes, because that's what's.. well.. convention permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies)
[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children) There is no answer. Because there is no question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) That is a problem, tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] polydactyl@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago I know the solution permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) That is a problem, tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] polydactyl@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago I know the solution permalink fedilink source parent
[–] polydactyl@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago I know the solution permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 23 points 9 months ago (6 children) Yeah I know that. But I was feeling confused as to why it was here. That's why I was feeling trolled, because it made me doubt basic math for being posted in a memes community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (22 children) They did the joke wrong. To do it right you need to use the ÷ symbol. Because people never use that after they learn fractions, people treat things like a + b ÷ c + d as a + b ----- c + d Or (a + b) ÷ (c + d) when they should be treating it as a + (b ÷ c) + d. That's the most common one of these "troll math" tricks. Because notating as a + b + d - c Is much more common and useful. So people get used to grouping everything around the division operator as if they're in parentheses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (3 children) Or 12 / 2(6) And trying to argue this is 36. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago* (20 children) Now that's a good troll math thing because it gets really deep into the weeds of mathematical notation. There isn't one true order of operations that is objectively correct, and on top of that, that's hardly the way most people would write that. As in, if you wrote that by hand, you wouldn't use the / symbol. You'd either use ÷ or a proper fraction. It's a good candidate for nerd sniping. Personally, I'd call that 36 as written given the context you're saying it in, instead of calling it 1. But I'd say it's ambiguous and you should notate in a way to avoid ambiguities. Especially if you're in the camp of multiplication like a(b) being different from ab and/or a × b. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) The P in PEMDAS means to solve everything within parentheses first; there is no "distribution" step or rule that says multiplying without a visible operator other than parentheses comes first. So yes, 36 is valid here. It's mostly because PEMDAS never shows up in the same context as this sort of multiplication or large fractions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago Well, now you might be running into syntax issues instead of PEMDAS issues depending on what they're confused about. If it's 12 over 2*6, it's 1. If it's 12 ÷ 2 x 6, it's 36. A lot of people try a bunch of funky stuff to represent fractions in text form (like mixing spaces and no spaces) when they should just be treating it like a programmer has to, and use parenthesis if it's a complex fraction in basic text form. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 9 months ago Alternatively, the poster calculated the wrong answer, thus assuming this guy was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago Gotcha gotcha, sorry permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 23 points 9 months ago (6 children) Yeah I know that. But I was feeling confused as to why it was here. That's why I was feeling trolled, because it made me doubt basic math for being posted in a memes community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (22 children) They did the joke wrong. To do it right you need to use the ÷ symbol. Because people never use that after they learn fractions, people treat things like a + b ÷ c + d as a + b ----- c + d Or (a + b) ÷ (c + d) when they should be treating it as a + (b ÷ c) + d. That's the most common one of these "troll math" tricks. Because notating as a + b + d - c Is much more common and useful. So people get used to grouping everything around the division operator as if they're in parentheses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (3 children) Or 12 / 2(6) And trying to argue this is 36. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago* (20 children) Now that's a good troll math thing because it gets really deep into the weeds of mathematical notation. There isn't one true order of operations that is objectively correct, and on top of that, that's hardly the way most people would write that. As in, if you wrote that by hand, you wouldn't use the / symbol. You'd either use ÷ or a proper fraction. It's a good candidate for nerd sniping. Personally, I'd call that 36 as written given the context you're saying it in, instead of calling it 1. But I'd say it's ambiguous and you should notate in a way to avoid ambiguities. Especially if you're in the camp of multiplication like a(b) being different from ab and/or a × b. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) The P in PEMDAS means to solve everything within parentheses first; there is no "distribution" step or rule that says multiplying without a visible operator other than parentheses comes first. So yes, 36 is valid here. It's mostly because PEMDAS never shows up in the same context as this sort of multiplication or large fractions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago Well, now you might be running into syntax issues instead of PEMDAS issues depending on what they're confused about. If it's 12 over 2*6, it's 1. If it's 12 ÷ 2 x 6, it's 36. A lot of people try a bunch of funky stuff to represent fractions in text form (like mixing spaces and no spaces) when they should just be treating it like a programmer has to, and use parenthesis if it's a complex fraction in basic text form. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 9 months ago Alternatively, the poster calculated the wrong answer, thus assuming this guy was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago Gotcha gotcha, sorry permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (22 children) They did the joke wrong. To do it right you need to use the ÷ symbol. Because people never use that after they learn fractions, people treat things like a + b ÷ c + d as a + b ----- c + d Or (a + b) ÷ (c + d) when they should be treating it as a + (b ÷ c) + d. That's the most common one of these "troll math" tricks. Because notating as a + b + d - c Is much more common and useful. So people get used to grouping everything around the division operator as if they're in parentheses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (3 children) Or 12 / 2(6) And trying to argue this is 36. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago* (20 children) Now that's a good troll math thing because it gets really deep into the weeds of mathematical notation. There isn't one true order of operations that is objectively correct, and on top of that, that's hardly the way most people would write that. As in, if you wrote that by hand, you wouldn't use the / symbol. You'd either use ÷ or a proper fraction. It's a good candidate for nerd sniping. Personally, I'd call that 36 as written given the context you're saying it in, instead of calling it 1. But I'd say it's ambiguous and you should notate in a way to avoid ambiguities. Especially if you're in the camp of multiplication like a(b) being different from ab and/or a × b. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) The P in PEMDAS means to solve everything within parentheses first; there is no "distribution" step or rule that says multiplying without a visible operator other than parentheses comes first. So yes, 36 is valid here. It's mostly because PEMDAS never shows up in the same context as this sort of multiplication or large fractions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago Well, now you might be running into syntax issues instead of PEMDAS issues depending on what they're confused about. If it's 12 over 2*6, it's 1. If it's 12 ÷ 2 x 6, it's 36. A lot of people try a bunch of funky stuff to represent fractions in text form (like mixing spaces and no spaces) when they should just be treating it like a programmer has to, and use parenthesis if it's a complex fraction in basic text form. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies)
[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (3 children) Or 12 / 2(6) And trying to argue this is 36. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago* (20 children) Now that's a good troll math thing because it gets really deep into the weeds of mathematical notation. There isn't one true order of operations that is objectively correct, and on top of that, that's hardly the way most people would write that. As in, if you wrote that by hand, you wouldn't use the / symbol. You'd either use ÷ or a proper fraction. It's a good candidate for nerd sniping. Personally, I'd call that 36 as written given the context you're saying it in, instead of calling it 1. But I'd say it's ambiguous and you should notate in a way to avoid ambiguities. Especially if you're in the camp of multiplication like a(b) being different from ab and/or a × b. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) The P in PEMDAS means to solve everything within parentheses first; there is no "distribution" step or rule that says multiplying without a visible operator other than parentheses comes first. So yes, 36 is valid here. It's mostly because PEMDAS never shows up in the same context as this sort of multiplication or large fractions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago Well, now you might be running into syntax issues instead of PEMDAS issues depending on what they're confused about. If it's 12 over 2*6, it's 1. If it's 12 ÷ 2 x 6, it's 36. A lot of people try a bunch of funky stuff to represent fractions in text form (like mixing spaces and no spaces) when they should just be treating it like a programmer has to, and use parenthesis if it's a complex fraction in basic text form. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago* (20 children) Now that's a good troll math thing because it gets really deep into the weeds of mathematical notation. There isn't one true order of operations that is objectively correct, and on top of that, that's hardly the way most people would write that. As in, if you wrote that by hand, you wouldn't use the / symbol. You'd either use ÷ or a proper fraction. It's a good candidate for nerd sniping. Personally, I'd call that 36 as written given the context you're saying it in, instead of calling it 1. But I'd say it's ambiguous and you should notate in a way to avoid ambiguities. Especially if you're in the camp of multiplication like a(b) being different from ab and/or a × b. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies)
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) The P in PEMDAS means to solve everything within parentheses first; there is no "distribution" step or rule that says multiplying without a visible operator other than parentheses comes first. So yes, 36 is valid here. It's mostly because PEMDAS never shows up in the same context as this sort of multiplication or large fractions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago Well, now you might be running into syntax issues instead of PEMDAS issues depending on what they're confused about. If it's 12 over 2*6, it's 1. If it's 12 ÷ 2 x 6, it's 36. A lot of people try a bunch of funky stuff to represent fractions in text form (like mixing spaces and no spaces) when they should just be treating it like a programmer has to, and use parenthesis if it's a complex fraction in basic text form. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 9 months ago Alternatively, the poster calculated the wrong answer, thus assuming this guy was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago Gotcha gotcha, sorry permalink fedilink source parent