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[–] 333 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I feel like I am getting trolled

Isn't 17 the actual right answer?

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  • [–] 130 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    So it's just an unfunny meme?

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  • [–] 97 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think it's meant to play with your expectations. Normally someone's take being posted is to show them being confidently stupid, otherwise it isn't as interesting and doesn't go viral.However, because we're primed to view it from that lens, we feel crazy to think we're doing the math correctly and getting the "wrong answer" from what we assume is the "confident dipshit".

    There's layers beyond the superficial.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Some people insist there's no "correct" order for the basic arithmetic operations. And worse, some people insist the correct order is parenthesis first, then left to right.

    Both of those sets of people are wrong.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Hopefully you can see where their confusion might come from, though. PEMDAS is more P-E-MD-AS. If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct. A lot of like, firstgrader math problems are just basic problems that are usually left to right (but should have some extras to highlight PEMDAS somewhere I'd hope).

    So they're mostly telling you they only remember as much math as a small child that barely passed math exercizes.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

    If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right is correct

    If you have a bunch of unparenthesized addition and subtraction, left to right doesn't matter.

    1 + 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 + 1

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    True, but as with many things, something has to be the rule for processing it. For many teachers as I've heard, order of appearance is 'the rule' when commutative properties apply. ... at least until algebra demands simplification, but that's a different topic.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    something has to be the rule for processing it

    Well the rule is: any order goes. Summation is commutative.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    No, you completely misunderstood my point. My point is not to describe all valid interpretations of the commutative property, but the one most slow kids will hear.

    OFC the actual rule is the order doesn't matter, but kids that don't pick up on the nuance of the commutative property will still remember, "order of appearance is fine".

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yes thank you! If you have a sum it is really great to order it in a way that makes it better to ad in your head and i think that lots of people do that without thinking about it. X=2+3+1+6+2+4+7+5 X=2+3+5+4+6+7+1+2 X=5+5 + 10 +7+1+2 X=10 + 10 + 7+3 X=10 + 10 + 10

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Huh I just remembered the orders of arithmetic but parentheses trump all so do them first (I use them in even the calculator app). Mean I assume that's that that says but never learned that acronym is all. Now figuring out categories of words;really does my noodle in sometimes. Cause some words can be either depending on context. Math when it's written out has (mostly) the same answer. I say mostly because somewhere in the back of my brain there are some scenarios where something more complicated than straight arithmetic can come out oddly but written as such should come out the same.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah I know that. But I was feeling confused as to why it was here. That's why I was feeling trolled, because it made me doubt basic math for being posted in a memes community.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (22 children)

    They did the joke wrong. To do it right you need to use the ÷ symbol. Because people never use that after they learn fractions, people treat things like a + b ÷ c + d as

    a + b
    -----
    c + d
    

    Or (a + b) ÷ (c + d) when they should be treating it as a + (b ÷ c) + d.

    That's the most common one of these "troll math" tricks. Because notating as

    a + b + d
        -
        c
    

    Is much more common and useful. So people get used to grouping everything around the division operator as if they're in parentheses.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Or
    12 / 2(6)
    And trying to argue this is 36.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (20 children)

    Now that's a good troll math thing because it gets really deep into the weeds of mathematical notation. There isn't one true order of operations that is objectively correct, and on top of that, that's hardly the way most people would write that. As in, if you wrote that by hand, you wouldn't use the / symbol. You'd either use ÷ or a proper fraction.

    It's a good candidate for nerd sniping.

    Personally, I'd call that 36 as written given the context you're saying it in, instead of calling it 1. But I'd say it's ambiguous and you should notate in a way to avoid ambiguities. Especially if you're in the camp of multiplication like a(b) being different from ab and/or a × b.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Well, now you might be running into syntax issues instead of PEMDAS issues depending on what they're confused about. If it's 12 over 2*6, it's 1. If it's 12 ÷ 2 x 6, it's 36.

    A lot of people try a bunch of funky stuff to represent fractions in text form (like mixing spaces and no spaces) when they should just be treating it like a programmer has to, and use parenthesis if it's a complex fraction in basic text form.

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