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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Was there actually anything stopping them before, other than some traffic cops with a grenade launcher, and some excavator operators frantically digging up the motorway?

[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No, but they chickened out and now Putin has had a month to set up defenses

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Military equipment in Russia protecting Putin is military equipment that can't be used to attack Ukraine, so this is still a win.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Especially if Wagner manages to destroy some or a lot of them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

And if they don't, their own equipment is destroyed which also belongs to Russia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a bad idea to begin with. Putin would and did flee to his bunker and then have to endure a siege on Moscow after that... There is no way they win a siege against the Russian army, in Moscow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea but at least he would have died fighting. Now he died for nothing lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Died fighting whom? The Russian populace that he seems to support, and are apathetic at worst towards him? It's not like Putin himself was going to lead the siege charge on horse back carrying an AK or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Putin lost his corn flakes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wagner group doesn't have any air assets, the Air Force probably could annihilate them on the way to Moscow. Not much cover in Russia

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well that did not work so well the first time. No idea if they still have any anti air capacity though.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/26/wagner-group-shot-down-seven-russian-aircraft-coup-attempt/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

not anymore, they had to give up all heavy equipment

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Russian Air Force sucks absolute balls at CAS. Apart from their general systemic issues, they don’t train for CAS, and it shows in Ukraine. Also, when Wagner tried to bum-rush Moscow the first time, pilots who actually attempted CAS missions didn’t do so well - there are several videos of them trying to airstrike Wagner positions and columns where the Russian pilots are not even close to putting munitions on-target effectively.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Wagner even shot down one Russian helicopter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Wagner did manage to take down quite a few Russian air units in a short period of time before.

Whether that was due to lack of organization and command among the Russian military because of the surprise of Wagner's actions is up for debate, but I guess we might get to see how that turns out this time around.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Anti-aircraft is different than air assets I get it that both are AA but I meant an air assets not anti-aircraft. 👍

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Same could have been said for their day trip. And that saw several helicopters and a couple of fixed wing aircraft getting knocked out the sky.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You forget that Russia had some garbage trucks lined up as well 🧱

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

We call them tactical landfill launchers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if Putin will try destroying the roads to Moscow again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

And run away to hide in St. Petersburg