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What petty hill will you die on? (beehaw.org)
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For me I say that a truck with a cab longer than its bed is not a truck, but an SUV with an overgrown bumper.

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[–] 15 points 3 years ago (12 children)

Large Language Models and other affiliated algorithms are not AI and no amount of marketing will convince me otherwise. As a result I refuse to call them AI when talking to people about them.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    They are AI though. They're just not Artificial General Intelligence.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    My definition of AI is coming from books and media, unless it exhibits actual intelligence it is not an AI. Building a sensible sentence from large amounts of data while not understanding what it is actually saying or whether it's actually correct or consistent does not make an intelligence.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    But it does understand it since it's able to answer arbitrary questions, no?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Nope, it's only matching the prompt with the most likely answer from its training set. Do you remember in the early days when it would be asked slightly tweaked riddles and it would get them incorrectly, it'd just spew out something that sounded like the original answer but was completely wrong in the current context? Or how it just made up nonexistent court cases for that one lawyer that tried to use it without actually checking if it's correct?

    LLMs are just guessing the answer based on millions of similar answers they have been trained with. It's a language syntax generator, it has no clue what it is actually saying.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    I know this, I've worked on LLMs and other neural networks so I was wondering what kind of difference you could make out. Humans do the same thing, they just have more neurons and use more sophisticated training modes and activation mechanisms as well as propagation patterns.

    So what I'm saying is that you can't tie intelligence to the fundamental mechanism because it's the same, only humans are more developed. And maturity on the other hand is a highly subjective and arbitrary criterion—when is the system mature enough to be considered intelligent?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Will you differentiate your understanding of what AI is from LLMs?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Something with a mind. The term floating around now is "general artificial intelligence." My primary objection is that a giant pile of poorly understood machine learning trained on garbage scraped from social media bears no resemblance to a thinking mind and calling it "AI" makes the term practically useless. Where do we draw the line between a complex algo and mind?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    As someone with published papers about machine learning, LLMs are artificially intelligent systems. At least according to the agreed-upon industry and academic definitions. I don't really care about your head canon definition. I just want to be clear for anyone else who comes across this comment and doesn't know otherwise.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I recently saw another lemming call LLMs “spicy autocomplete” instead of AI which seemed appropriate given that calling it AI, while technically correct, I think leads some people to think that the LLM is intelligent. I plan to use that terminology.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What do you say about LLM's being better at diagnosing diseases than real doctors? It may not be intelligence, but it's more than simply regurgitating information.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    You should know that the article that headline is from glosses over the multiple choice nature of the data.

    Chat gpt didn’t do an examination and get it right, it answered multiple choice questions correctly more often than mds.

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