Firstly they did not even know that musical festival was taking place.
Why does this matter. Would Israels reaction be different? They wanted to genocide from the beginning.
Secondly they are not “civilians” they are settlers illegally occupying Palestinian land. With the understanding that they would be protected by their government.
They are evil fascists, but that doesn't make them combatants.
lastly they are not a “religious extremist organization” even if they once had been.
Do you have a source on this? I am open to changing my position on this.
So here you are legitimizing violence of a settler colonial ethnostate as “self defense” That statement is very broad.
I am legitimizing specific violence of a settler colonial ethnostate as “self defense”. I think they are in their right to dismantle Hamas using violence. But what they have done has far surpassed that. I think Israel has the ability to arrest/kidnap and try high ranking members of Hamas. I think that would be a reasonable response to October 7th. But they did the worst possible thing and I don't condone that.
I was far too generous before. I wish the same upon you as I do on the IDF.
Oh yeah, my belief that Israel is a fascist genocidal state surely makes me morally equivalent to IDF. These nuanced replies I am making is like I am out there killing Palestinian babies my self. Sure!
Dead Fish you're probably not reading this but I just want to say that you can't claim you believe Israel is a fascist genocidal state in one breath then also say you think Israel has a right to destroy the people resisting their genocide without everyone assuming you support that fascist genocidal state.
The two just don't mix. Either you're against fascist genociders, in which case you support whatever resistance exists against that, or if you oppose the resistance that exists to that then you are a supporter of the fascist genociders.
There is no nuanced middle ground to this. Attempting to create one is just siding with fascist genociders and muddying the waters surrounding the people resisting genocide, the overall outcome of which is to weaken support for the resistance.
This leaves two possibilities: You are either a credulous liberal idiot that does not actually think about your own positions much or you are a genocidal fascist. Either way, in both cases you are harming Palestinians and strengthening fascists. If you're not the latter, I urge you to take some time to really think through the contradiction. If you are the latter I wish upon you very bad things.
It's the liberal belief that the victims of genocide brought it on themselves in some way (which would be heinous even if it weren't for the following part of this sentence), anchored in a complete and utter ignorance of any history prior to "October 7th".
Regrettably, this is an extremely common point of view among people who lack the appropriate reflex of shame that should prevent them from expressing it.
Or I suppose he could be a fascist imitating a liberal (
), but I find that less likely. There's a lot more credulous liberals with unaddressed white supremacy than there are fascists leading them by the nose.