Firstly they did not even know that musical festival was taking place.
Why does this matter. Would Israels reaction be different? They wanted to genocide from the beginning.
Secondly they are not “civilians” they are settlers illegally occupying Palestinian land. With the understanding that they would be protected by their government.
They are evil fascists, but that doesn't make them combatants.
lastly they are not a “religious extremist organization” even if they once had been.
Do you have a source on this? I am open to changing my position on this.
So here you are legitimizing violence of a settler colonial ethnostate as “self defense” That statement is very broad.
I am legitimizing specific violence of a settler colonial ethnostate as “self defense”. I think they are in their right to dismantle Hamas using violence. But what they have done has far surpassed that. I think Israel has the ability to arrest/kidnap and try high ranking members of Hamas. I think that would be a reasonable response to October 7th. But they did the worst possible thing and I don't condone that.
I was far too generous before. I wish the same upon you as I do on the IDF.
Oh yeah, my belief that Israel is a fascist genocidal state surely makes me morally equivalent to IDF. These nuanced replies I am making is like I am out there killing Palestinian babies my self. Sure!
This guy isn't intentionally justifying genocide, he just has no idea what he's talking about. It's a sort of subcontracted genocide support often done inadvertently by people who think they're opposing the genocide, which this guy even says he is.
He thinks he's being helpful by separating Palestinians from Hamas, but all he's doing is de-legitimizing the resistance of Palestinians. He then says that attacking Hamas is OK but not other Palestinians. This is the basic justification of Israel's genocide, because targeting resistance can be used to target anyone while denying that you are committing genocide (this is Hamas, that is Hamas, unfortunate collateral damage). The resistance is both a natural consequence of the situation, and a correct thing that should be supported.
If you're reading this, the user in question, try "slavery is wrong and lynchings are bad, but I think the slavers had the right to try and execute Nat Turner." Do you see why this is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say? That when an oppressor gives the oppressed absolutely no non-violent options for resistance, all violence that results can and should be blamed on the oppressor? That some things are wrong, and uprisings against them are inevitable, necessary, and do not give the oppressor an ethical justification for reprisal?
If you don't see how that applies here, you don't know anything about Palestinian history. And Nat Turner, unlike Hamas/PIJ/PFLP, ordered that every single white person should be killed, and that order was carried out. People do not (and should not) condemn Nat Turner, because they understand the intolerability of his situation.
I honestly just wish people who know as little as this person seems to about the history and situation of Palestine would just learn to be quiet. People are not embarrassed enough anymore, anyone can just say shit. Everyone acts like they're Destiny "debating" Finkelstein and completely expects to be taken seriously. Embarrassing.
I fucking do not care. And I disagree because this statement is very intentional.
Neither do I in the end - it doesn't matter, and his underlying mindset is genocidal whether he realizes or not. Read the rest of my comment. I agree with you and I'd appreciate if you didn't jump on me as though I was justifying this user's point of view.