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[–] 163 points 1 year ago (26 children)

I don't call them Nazis because I dislike them, I dislike them because they're Nazis.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    No they are fascists, Nazi was the shorthand for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), the first 4 letters.

    Fascism gets its name from Italy, Mussolini's Fascist Party, but it is the name for the political ideology as a whole, there is no Nazism and Americans being called Nazis is kinda weird, imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.

    Thanks for coming to my stickler talk.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as "MAGA", at least at first.

    Nazi means refers to National Socialist, but at this point in history, it can also just refer to political movements that are fascist and Nazi-like. The meanings of words shift over time.

    Edit: Fixed to appease a pedant.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Nazi doesn't mean national socialist, as I said it's literally just the first 4 letters, a shorthand a nickname, American version for Republicans would be Repu/Repus.

    Lots of people I have seen that think it's Nazi because the Sozialistische has the Zi, it's nonsense, Nazional is how germans pronounce National, hence it's shortened to Nazi.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist

    Ridiculously pedantic. Come on.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I call them Repubs at this point because they don't want to say things like "Democratic politicians" opting instead for "Democrat politicians" because they're worried democratic sounds too good.

    I think republican sounds too good. They don't want a republic, they want a tyrant.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    So, tyrannist? Hmm that's not catchy. Maybe just autocrat but that doesn't contain the root of the word tyrannus. Best I got for ya.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    I don't live in America, and many people here actually do use MAGA or Trumpism to describe the local right wing people and parties because they are largely just copying America...

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.

    It's semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.

    Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.

    It's all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet's Chile and Milei's Argentina.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist though. The party wasn't called Nazi, the members were.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was and is literally called the Nazi Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

    The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am German. We don't call it that. Nobody says Nazipartei, it's NSDAP. Nazi Party is an English expression and has nothing to do with the etymology of the word Nazi.

    Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi (the english version of this article points to the ideology of nazism, the original is about the term. Use a translator if you're interested.)

    It was coined in the 1920s and it's not an American term. You call the party Nazi Party because it was the party of the nazis, not the other way around.

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