▲ 892 ▼ Charlie Kirk shot and killed while speaking at Utah college (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 1 year ago by TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 283 comments fedilink hide all child comments Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 117 points 1 year ago* (10 children) Why the fuck is Donald Trump the one announcing his death? Does that stink of this being a false flag and Kirk was chosen as an expendable to anyone else?? I am not at all convinced the shooter was a leftist or liberal. permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) It was a truly wildly impressive shot. One single shot taken over 200 yards away through a very limited angle that made an instant-kill hit, and no suspect in custody? Hmm... It is extremely convenient that this happened immediately after the publication of the Epstein birthday book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 74 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah I'd say it was convenient if there wasn't a major Trump scandal each week in the past ten years at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFogan@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago Quite true... trumps already really good at distracting from his damning significant crimes with other crimes. I can't think of a week in 2025 where there's not something significant enough that they'd be looking for a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago Like Trump needs distraction. He could breathe slightly funny or his hands could turn a different shade of purple and the news circus would move on from the birthday book tomorrow, which doesn't even confirm anything we didn't already know. Killer was well-prepared and a good shot, unlike the weirdo who tried to take out Trump. The only unusual thing is that people who have the mental acumen to actually pull something like this off and not get caught immediately tend to be mentally stable enough not to attempt something like that. But times are a-changing and political violence in the US is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. People forgot that the Rule of Law and Social Contract were meant not just as ways to prevent conservatives from implementing ethnic/religious fundamentalism, but also to prevent this exact kind of thing happening. Trump is at the helm of a government he seemingly distrusts, whose own rules he constantly breaks or ignores, whose institutions he actively sabotages, whose fundamental principles he spits on. As a consequence trust in all three branches of government is crumbling, which inevitably legitimizes political violence as a last resort vector of change. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) 200 yards is a very novice distance with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't necessarily say that. I used to shoot competitively (service rifle across-the-course), and we'd shoot 200 yards off-hand. We don't know if the shooter was prone, sitting/kneeling, or standing. If they were standing (because they wanted to beat a quick retreat) then it was a hell of a shot. Honestly, even if they were prone it's not bad. Given the nature of the shooting, it appears that the shooter didn't want collateral damage. There were a LOT of people there, and that pressure would make any shot harder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I'm assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something. It's just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn't. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a "tripod". I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn't calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alloi@lemmy.world -12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Huh?? I've seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit EDIT: Charlie Kirk shooter wore dark clothing, fired from a roof on campus some distance away, Utah authorities say https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates#00000199-35cb-d74e-afdd-f5cb1f000000 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Please post a link, I want to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I'm not sure the dot world admins would like that. Edit: well fuck me for being cautious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zeon@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The videos are being wiped?! What do you mean? You suggest there is an effort to destroy every single copy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alloi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd. i literally cant find them anywhere now. permalink fedilink source parent [+] pennomi@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 42 points 1 year ago (1 child) Occam's Razor. The USA probably has a million (literally) gun owners capable of making that shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago Ain't no solidarity like fascist solidarity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone just more right wing than him who took issue with "softer" stances, like not murdering trans people in the streets and only criminalising them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) Or the Whitehouse kept an open line with the hospital and Trump lacks the decency to let the family make the announcement on their own terms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Toilet Paper US tells Trumpie that Charlie Kirk is dead. Trumpie can't resist telling everyone. Family finds out through a Truth Social post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Multiple government leaders found out they'd been fired via Twitter in the first round of this administration. TACO is a coward and really doesn't give a fuck about people so he just does whatever is easiest, including destroying careers/lives by randomly shitting things out on the Web. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just imagine if this ends up turning Turning Point away from Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago Does that stink of this being a false flag and Kirk was chosen as an expendable to anyone else?? Absolutely zero chance it's a false flag. Turning Point USA is a huge boon to the Trump admin. I am not at all convinced the shooter was a leftist or liberal. IMO we just need to wait and see. I see no evidence that the shooter was a leftist or liberal... because I've seen no evidence about the perp at all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago The golden rule of fascism: always first accuse others of the conspiracies you're going to engage in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago I'm betting the shooter is a pizza gater and got upset Charlie stopped talking about the Epstein files or something like that permalink fedilink source parent [+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Because the orange tumor ordered his execution? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) It was a truly wildly impressive shot. One single shot taken over 200 yards away through a very limited angle that made an instant-kill hit, and no suspect in custody? Hmm... It is extremely convenient that this happened immediately after the publication of the Epstein birthday book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 74 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah I'd say it was convenient if there wasn't a major Trump scandal each week in the past ten years at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFogan@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago Quite true... trumps already really good at distracting from his damning significant crimes with other crimes. I can't think of a week in 2025 where there's not something significant enough that they'd be looking for a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago Like Trump needs distraction. He could breathe slightly funny or his hands could turn a different shade of purple and the news circus would move on from the birthday book tomorrow, which doesn't even confirm anything we didn't already know. Killer was well-prepared and a good shot, unlike the weirdo who tried to take out Trump. The only unusual thing is that people who have the mental acumen to actually pull something like this off and not get caught immediately tend to be mentally stable enough not to attempt something like that. But times are a-changing and political violence in the US is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. People forgot that the Rule of Law and Social Contract were meant not just as ways to prevent conservatives from implementing ethnic/religious fundamentalism, but also to prevent this exact kind of thing happening. Trump is at the helm of a government he seemingly distrusts, whose own rules he constantly breaks or ignores, whose institutions he actively sabotages, whose fundamental principles he spits on. As a consequence trust in all three branches of government is crumbling, which inevitably legitimizes political violence as a last resort vector of change. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) 200 yards is a very novice distance with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't necessarily say that. I used to shoot competitively (service rifle across-the-course), and we'd shoot 200 yards off-hand. We don't know if the shooter was prone, sitting/kneeling, or standing. If they were standing (because they wanted to beat a quick retreat) then it was a hell of a shot. Honestly, even if they were prone it's not bad. Given the nature of the shooting, it appears that the shooter didn't want collateral damage. There were a LOT of people there, and that pressure would make any shot harder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I'm assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something. It's just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn't. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a "tripod". I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn't calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alloi@lemmy.world -12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Huh?? I've seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit EDIT: Charlie Kirk shooter wore dark clothing, fired from a roof on campus some distance away, Utah authorities say https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates#00000199-35cb-d74e-afdd-f5cb1f000000 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Please post a link, I want to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I'm not sure the dot world admins would like that. Edit: well fuck me for being cautious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zeon@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The videos are being wiped?! What do you mean? You suggest there is an effort to destroy every single copy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alloi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd. i literally cant find them anywhere now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 74 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah I'd say it was convenient if there wasn't a major Trump scandal each week in the past ten years at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFogan@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago Quite true... trumps already really good at distracting from his damning significant crimes with other crimes. I can't think of a week in 2025 where there's not something significant enough that they'd be looking for a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago Quite true... trumps already really good at distracting from his damning significant crimes with other crimes. I can't think of a week in 2025 where there's not something significant enough that they'd be looking for a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago Like Trump needs distraction. He could breathe slightly funny or his hands could turn a different shade of purple and the news circus would move on from the birthday book tomorrow, which doesn't even confirm anything we didn't already know. Killer was well-prepared and a good shot, unlike the weirdo who tried to take out Trump. The only unusual thing is that people who have the mental acumen to actually pull something like this off and not get caught immediately tend to be mentally stable enough not to attempt something like that. But times are a-changing and political violence in the US is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. People forgot that the Rule of Law and Social Contract were meant not just as ways to prevent conservatives from implementing ethnic/religious fundamentalism, but also to prevent this exact kind of thing happening. Trump is at the helm of a government he seemingly distrusts, whose own rules he constantly breaks or ignores, whose institutions he actively sabotages, whose fundamental principles he spits on. As a consequence trust in all three branches of government is crumbling, which inevitably legitimizes political violence as a last resort vector of change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) 200 yards is a very novice distance with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't necessarily say that. I used to shoot competitively (service rifle across-the-course), and we'd shoot 200 yards off-hand. We don't know if the shooter was prone, sitting/kneeling, or standing. If they were standing (because they wanted to beat a quick retreat) then it was a hell of a shot. Honestly, even if they were prone it's not bad. Given the nature of the shooting, it appears that the shooter didn't want collateral damage. There were a LOT of people there, and that pressure would make any shot harder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I'm assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something. It's just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn't. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a "tripod". I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn't calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't necessarily say that. I used to shoot competitively (service rifle across-the-course), and we'd shoot 200 yards off-hand. We don't know if the shooter was prone, sitting/kneeling, or standing. If they were standing (because they wanted to beat a quick retreat) then it was a hell of a shot. Honestly, even if they were prone it's not bad. Given the nature of the shooting, it appears that the shooter didn't want collateral damage. There were a LOT of people there, and that pressure would make any shot harder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I'm assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something. It's just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn't. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a "tripod". I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn't calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I'm assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something. It's just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn't. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a "tripod". I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn't calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Alloi@lemmy.world -12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Huh?? I've seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit EDIT: Charlie Kirk shooter wore dark clothing, fired from a roof on campus some distance away, Utah authorities say https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates#00000199-35cb-d74e-afdd-f5cb1f000000 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Please post a link, I want to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I'm not sure the dot world admins would like that. Edit: well fuck me for being cautious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zeon@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The videos are being wiped?! What do you mean? You suggest there is an effort to destroy every single copy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alloi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd. i literally cant find them anywhere now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Huh?? I've seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit EDIT: Charlie Kirk shooter wore dark clothing, fired from a roof on campus some distance away, Utah authorities say https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates#00000199-35cb-d74e-afdd-f5cb1f000000 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Please post a link, I want to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I'm not sure the dot world admins would like that. Edit: well fuck me for being cautious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zeon@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zeon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Please post a link, I want to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I'm not sure the dot world admins would like that. Edit: well fuck me for being cautious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zeon@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] can@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I'm not sure the dot world admins would like that. Edit: well fuck me for being cautious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zeon@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zeon@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The videos are being wiped?! What do you mean? You suggest there is an effort to destroy every single copy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alloi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd. i literally cant find them anywhere now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd. i literally cant find them anywhere now. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 42 points 1 year ago (1 child) Occam's Razor. The USA probably has a million (literally) gun owners capable of making that shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 42 points 1 year ago (1 child) Occam's Razor. The USA probably has a million (literally) gun owners capable of making that shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago Ain't no solidarity like fascist solidarity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone just more right wing than him who took issue with "softer" stances, like not murdering trans people in the streets and only criminalising them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) Or the Whitehouse kept an open line with the hospital and Trump lacks the decency to let the family make the announcement on their own terms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Toilet Paper US tells Trumpie that Charlie Kirk is dead. Trumpie can't resist telling everyone. Family finds out through a Truth Social post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Multiple government leaders found out they'd been fired via Twitter in the first round of this administration. TACO is a coward and really doesn't give a fuck about people so he just does whatever is easiest, including destroying careers/lives by randomly shitting things out on the Web. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just imagine if this ends up turning Turning Point away from Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Toilet Paper US tells Trumpie that Charlie Kirk is dead. Trumpie can't resist telling everyone. Family finds out through a Truth Social post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Multiple government leaders found out they'd been fired via Twitter in the first round of this administration. TACO is a coward and really doesn't give a fuck about people so he just does whatever is easiest, including destroying careers/lives by randomly shitting things out on the Web. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just imagine if this ends up turning Turning Point away from Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Multiple government leaders found out they'd been fired via Twitter in the first round of this administration. TACO is a coward and really doesn't give a fuck about people so he just does whatever is easiest, including destroying careers/lives by randomly shitting things out on the Web. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just imagine if this ends up turning Turning Point away from Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago Does that stink of this being a false flag and Kirk was chosen as an expendable to anyone else?? Absolutely zero chance it's a false flag. Turning Point USA is a huge boon to the Trump admin. I am not at all convinced the shooter was a leftist or liberal. IMO we just need to wait and see. I see no evidence that the shooter was a leftist or liberal... because I've seen no evidence about the perp at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago The golden rule of fascism: always first accuse others of the conspiracies you're going to engage in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago I'm betting the shooter is a pizza gater and got upset Charlie stopped talking about the Epstein files or something like that permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Because the orange tumor ordered his execution? permalink fedilink source parent