▲ 892 ▼ Charlie Kirk shot and killed while speaking at Utah college (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 1 year ago by TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 283 comments fedilink hide all child comments Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.
[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 42 points 1 year ago (1 child) Occam's Razor. The USA probably has a million (literally) gun owners capable of making that shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 42 points 1 year ago (1 child) Occam's Razor. The USA probably has a million (literally) gun owners capable of making that shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away. Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training. Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know. Worked out though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all? If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are. permalink fedilink source parent
