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Politicians Will Not Save Us. (lemmy.zip)
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Grassroots organization will save us.

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[–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i can't believe after the dissolution of checks and balances and the ongoing kidnapping of hispanic people nationwide we're still having this conversation.

obviously newsom is actively awful. but calling it "both candidates want to fuck the world" is so narrow-minded knowing everything that is happening to america every day right now.

it's frustrating to be an american and be given two choices who both suck. one choice sucks so much more. not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I don't think "sucks so much more" is all that accurate though. Both candidates do want to fuck the world.

    Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were Drone-Striking kids? Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were mass-deporting people? Where were the Checks and balances for torture programs, killing americans, giving our tax money to their rich friends, building out surveillance programs, backing a genocide, etc?

    Yes, one side is worse, but the supposed "opposition" is doing everything they can to get as close to the worse side as they can.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are no small wins anymore. Harm reduction is important, but it's also important to understand what is happening right now. That's all I'm saying. The Democrats will not be your salvation, they will be your slow demise. The Republicans will be your quick demise. People need to take to the streets, not the ballots. If you can't see that, then you're still living in the past. Listen to yourself: "compete dissolution of checks and balances" but you still think we can reform it all better?

    C'mon, you don't seem to be that out of the loop. Surely you get it by now? I don't think you deserve to have a master

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    not the ballots

    Go to the ballots and vote for who you want. Will it be sufficient, dunno, but it is absolutely needed to put in at least that effort.

    Historically non-democratic means of overthrowing a previously democratic systems do not end well...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm not sure you understand my position. I'm against the Democrats and the Republicans. I don't think voting will be our solution. I'm pretty sure that I never said we can reform it, and I think we're gonna have to tear it all down and start over.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.

    Yet playing along seems to have led to fascism. Voting clearly is not enough, we have to take action outside of the system. Our fucked up electoral system could not be relied upon before and it definitely can't now with a fascist in office doing everything he can to rig it in his favor. We need more people to become disillusioned with our electoral system because it is dead now, and believing in the fantasy that we can vote our way out of fascism isn't going to do anyone any favors.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)
    1. i am pragmatic enough to understand how to do my best to reduce the harm done on my innocent countrymen
    2. i can do this while supporting grassroots initiatives to change the power structure.

    what's the outcome of mass disillusionment? are the Cool Socialists ready to replace the electoral system? because to me it seems way more likely that the Worse Fascists will benefit the most from mass disillusionment.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I also support harm reduction and I practice it at the ballot box, I just don't think there is anything to gain by hammering people over the heads trying to sell them on harm reduction. It's completely ineffective at inspiring people to the kind of mass coordinated action that is required.

    what's the outcome of mass disillusionment?

    Disillusionment is effective at inspiring action, provided you can get people past the apathy stage. The fact is people are being disillusioned - for good reason - and fighting it is counterproductive. So long as you're focused on trying to pull people back to the center for the sake of harm reduction, you're ceding the populist narrative to the fascists.

    are the Cool Socialists ready to replace the electoral system?

    Absolutely not, which is why more people need to organize, and before they will be willing to organize they have to become disillusioned with the system.

    because to me it seems way more likely that the Worse Fascists will benefit the most from mass disillusionment.

    They will if we don't meet people where they're at like they're doing.

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