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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) I thought mozilla was a non profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Mozilla is a bizarre Matryoshka doll with a for profit company inside of the nonprofit. If anything, I believe this structure is responsible for Mozilla's problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) So the profit from the for-profit is passed up to the non-profit. This is a really common organisational structure and not bizarre. There's loads of worthy criticisms to make of mozilla but this is not one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sure, whereupon the CEO alone can receive an 8 figure compensation package. That is not at all an issue to the viability of a non-profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not as simple as just deciding to hire people at lower rates of pay. Cost cutting is a tricky game. When an organisation is not on a positive trajectory, cost cutting has a very high risk of re-enforcing the underlying problems. That's not to say cost cutting isn't a worthy objective, but it needs to be carefully considered. If you want a CEO with the right skills and connections you need to pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don't have the right skills and connections. It's not just this one, it's a systemic issue for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around. On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Non profits do have corporate leeches too. The executives at Mozilla have executive salaries. That is, hundreds of thousands, or millions. They don't work out of the goodness of their hearts. And Mozilla has to find a way to earn the income to pay their bloated salaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Why would an organisation choose to over spend on executive salaries? Obviously, it's because thats what it costs to get people with the right skills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago But these executives clearly don't have the right skills, so they should get less pay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Non-profit isn't the same as not-for-profit Take American Red Cross They make bank on blood donations. Also, they take in way more than they put out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The red cross fucking sucks too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I couldn't agree more permalink fedilink source parent [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This smells like BS. Is mozilla non-profit, not-for-profit, or for-profit? You dont really know do you. "I dont like mozilla so ill just assume they must be profiteering assholes somehow" "Its the vibe of the thing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I only use Firefox. I've only used Firefox since 2000. They, by their own statements, are a 501( C )3, which is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. Sit down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so. Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I have worked for non-profits. They are completely allowed to make a profit. You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla. If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you. Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me? permalink fedilink source parent [–] haloduder 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Profit can be distorted based on how much employees are being paid. They're a "non-profit," but their CEO makes millions of dollars per year. I'd say that's a profit. Believing otherwise is just falling for rhetoric that exists to take advantage of our naivete so people richer than us can be even richer. Many of you will disagree with this (because you're greedy consumerists), but their employees also typically don't need to be paid nearly as much as they are. Their employees are also working to maximize profit, albeit from a different, less-effective angle. Money brings out the worst in people. I don't really value the input of people going to bat for the businessmen taking their money. Too often I see useful idiots proud to be ripped off and getting angry whenever someone points it out. It's really the norm at this point, which is sad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Calling whatever you like "profit" cant really be rebutted, it's subjective semantics. Yes CEOs are paid lots of money. Why would mozilla choose to over pay staff? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry boss it's kinda laughable to suggest they choose their own salaries. Obviously it would be negotiated, with a panel overseeing the procurement and hiring process. That panel has no interest in overpaying executives. Obviously they would pay just enough to secure someone with the right network and skills. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago* Oh, so they and their friends are part of a panel that chooses each others salaries? I wonder how that ends up with everyone getting bloated salaries. Such a mystery. It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. Look at executive salaries from other companies. They are clearly over-compensated on average. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. I don't care that they make more than me. I care that their salary keeps going up, while Firefox's market-share keeps going down, and the product keeps getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Mozilla is a bizarre Matryoshka doll with a for profit company inside of the nonprofit. If anything, I believe this structure is responsible for Mozilla's problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) So the profit from the for-profit is passed up to the non-profit. This is a really common organisational structure and not bizarre. There's loads of worthy criticisms to make of mozilla but this is not one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sure, whereupon the CEO alone can receive an 8 figure compensation package. That is not at all an issue to the viability of a non-profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not as simple as just deciding to hire people at lower rates of pay. Cost cutting is a tricky game. When an organisation is not on a positive trajectory, cost cutting has a very high risk of re-enforcing the underlying problems. That's not to say cost cutting isn't a worthy objective, but it needs to be carefully considered. If you want a CEO with the right skills and connections you need to pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don't have the right skills and connections. It's not just this one, it's a systemic issue for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around. On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) So the profit from the for-profit is passed up to the non-profit. This is a really common organisational structure and not bizarre. There's loads of worthy criticisms to make of mozilla but this is not one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sure, whereupon the CEO alone can receive an 8 figure compensation package. That is not at all an issue to the viability of a non-profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not as simple as just deciding to hire people at lower rates of pay. Cost cutting is a tricky game. When an organisation is not on a positive trajectory, cost cutting has a very high risk of re-enforcing the underlying problems. That's not to say cost cutting isn't a worthy objective, but it needs to be carefully considered. If you want a CEO with the right skills and connections you need to pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don't have the right skills and connections. It's not just this one, it's a systemic issue for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around. On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sure, whereupon the CEO alone can receive an 8 figure compensation package. That is not at all an issue to the viability of a non-profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not as simple as just deciding to hire people at lower rates of pay. Cost cutting is a tricky game. When an organisation is not on a positive trajectory, cost cutting has a very high risk of re-enforcing the underlying problems. That's not to say cost cutting isn't a worthy objective, but it needs to be carefully considered. If you want a CEO with the right skills and connections you need to pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don't have the right skills and connections. It's not just this one, it's a systemic issue for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around. On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not as simple as just deciding to hire people at lower rates of pay. Cost cutting is a tricky game. When an organisation is not on a positive trajectory, cost cutting has a very high risk of re-enforcing the underlying problems. That's not to say cost cutting isn't a worthy objective, but it needs to be carefully considered. If you want a CEO with the right skills and connections you need to pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don't have the right skills and connections. It's not just this one, it's a systemic issue for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around. On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piefood@feddit.online 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don't have the right skills and connections. It's not just this one, it's a systemic issue for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around. On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around. On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Non profits do have corporate leeches too. The executives at Mozilla have executive salaries. That is, hundreds of thousands, or millions. They don't work out of the goodness of their hearts. And Mozilla has to find a way to earn the income to pay their bloated salaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Why would an organisation choose to over spend on executive salaries? Obviously, it's because thats what it costs to get people with the right skills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago But these executives clearly don't have the right skills, so they should get less pay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Why would an organisation choose to over spend on executive salaries? Obviously, it's because thats what it costs to get people with the right skills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago But these executives clearly don't have the right skills, so they should get less pay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago But these executives clearly don't have the right skills, so they should get less pay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Non-profit isn't the same as not-for-profit Take American Red Cross They make bank on blood donations. Also, they take in way more than they put out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The red cross fucking sucks too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I couldn't agree more permalink fedilink source parent [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This smells like BS. Is mozilla non-profit, not-for-profit, or for-profit? You dont really know do you. "I dont like mozilla so ill just assume they must be profiteering assholes somehow" "Its the vibe of the thing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I only use Firefox. I've only used Firefox since 2000. They, by their own statements, are a 501( C )3, which is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. Sit down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so. Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I have worked for non-profits. They are completely allowed to make a profit. You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla. If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you. Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The red cross fucking sucks too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I couldn't agree more permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This smells like BS. Is mozilla non-profit, not-for-profit, or for-profit? You dont really know do you. "I dont like mozilla so ill just assume they must be profiteering assholes somehow" "Its the vibe of the thing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I only use Firefox. I've only used Firefox since 2000. They, by their own statements, are a 501( C )3, which is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. Sit down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so. Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I have worked for non-profits. They are completely allowed to make a profit. You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla. If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you. Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I only use Firefox. I've only used Firefox since 2000. They, by their own statements, are a 501( C )3, which is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. Sit down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so. Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I have worked for non-profits. They are completely allowed to make a profit. You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla. If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you. Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so. Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I have worked for non-profits. They are completely allowed to make a profit. You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla. If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you. Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago I have worked for non-profits. They are completely allowed to make a profit. You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla. If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit. You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you. Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] haloduder 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Profit can be distorted based on how much employees are being paid. They're a "non-profit," but their CEO makes millions of dollars per year. I'd say that's a profit. Believing otherwise is just falling for rhetoric that exists to take advantage of our naivete so people richer than us can be even richer. Many of you will disagree with this (because you're greedy consumerists), but their employees also typically don't need to be paid nearly as much as they are. Their employees are also working to maximize profit, albeit from a different, less-effective angle. Money brings out the worst in people. I don't really value the input of people going to bat for the businessmen taking their money. Too often I see useful idiots proud to be ripped off and getting angry whenever someone points it out. It's really the norm at this point, which is sad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Calling whatever you like "profit" cant really be rebutted, it's subjective semantics. Yes CEOs are paid lots of money. Why would mozilla choose to over pay staff? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry boss it's kinda laughable to suggest they choose their own salaries. Obviously it would be negotiated, with a panel overseeing the procurement and hiring process. That panel has no interest in overpaying executives. Obviously they would pay just enough to secure someone with the right network and skills. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago* Oh, so they and their friends are part of a panel that chooses each others salaries? I wonder how that ends up with everyone getting bloated salaries. Such a mystery. It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. Look at executive salaries from other companies. They are clearly over-compensated on average. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. I don't care that they make more than me. I care that their salary keeps going up, while Firefox's market-share keeps going down, and the product keeps getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Calling whatever you like "profit" cant really be rebutted, it's subjective semantics. Yes CEOs are paid lots of money. Why would mozilla choose to over pay staff? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry boss it's kinda laughable to suggest they choose their own salaries. Obviously it would be negotiated, with a panel overseeing the procurement and hiring process. That panel has no interest in overpaying executives. Obviously they would pay just enough to secure someone with the right network and skills. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago* Oh, so they and their friends are part of a panel that chooses each others salaries? I wonder how that ends up with everyone getting bloated salaries. Such a mystery. It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. Look at executive salaries from other companies. They are clearly over-compensated on average. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. I don't care that they make more than me. I care that their salary keeps going up, while Firefox's market-share keeps going down, and the product keeps getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piefood@feddit.online 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry boss it's kinda laughable to suggest they choose their own salaries. Obviously it would be negotiated, with a panel overseeing the procurement and hiring process. That panel has no interest in overpaying executives. Obviously they would pay just enough to secure someone with the right network and skills. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago* Oh, so they and their friends are part of a panel that chooses each others salaries? I wonder how that ends up with everyone getting bloated salaries. Such a mystery. It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. Look at executive salaries from other companies. They are clearly over-compensated on average. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. I don't care that they make more than me. I care that their salary keeps going up, while Firefox's market-share keeps going down, and the product keeps getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry boss it's kinda laughable to suggest they choose their own salaries. Obviously it would be negotiated, with a panel overseeing the procurement and hiring process. That panel has no interest in overpaying executives. Obviously they would pay just enough to secure someone with the right network and skills. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago* Oh, so they and their friends are part of a panel that chooses each others salaries? I wonder how that ends up with everyone getting bloated salaries. Such a mystery. It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. Look at executive salaries from other companies. They are clearly over-compensated on average. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. I don't care that they make more than me. I care that their salary keeps going up, while Firefox's market-share keeps going down, and the product keeps getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piefood@feddit.online 1 point 1 year ago* Oh, so they and their friends are part of a panel that chooses each others salaries? I wonder how that ends up with everyone getting bloated salaries. Such a mystery. It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. Look at executive salaries from other companies. They are clearly over-compensated on average. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid. I don't care that they make more than me. I care that their salary keeps going up, while Firefox's market-share keeps going down, and the product keeps getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent