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[–] 511 points 1 year ago* (34 children)

The pathological need to find something to use LLMs for is so bizzare.

It’s like the opposite of classic ML, relatively tiny special purpose models trained for something critical, out of desperation, because it just can’t be done well conventionally.

But this:

AI-enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local AI model, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

Take out the word AI.

Enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local algorithm, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

If this feature took, say, a gigabyte of RAM and a bunch of CPU, it would be laughed out. But somehow it ships because it has the word AI in it? That makes no sense.

I am a massive local LLM advocate. I like “generative” ML, within reason and ethics. But this is just stupid.

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  • [–] 251 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When I'm browsing around with multiple tabs open, the last thing I want is something to start moving them around and messing my flow up. This is a solution looking for a problem.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago*

    Yup

    Auto naming functionality is neat in some cases, like the AI chat UI itself

    • It's convenient to have names when toggling between a few recent chats or searching through 10s or 100s of chats later on
    • I spawn new chats often and it's tedious to name them all
    • I don't have a strong preference for what the title is as long as it's clear what the chat was about

    Tab groups don't hit those points at all

    • I'll have a handful of tab groups
    • I don't make them often
    • I have a strong preference for what it's called, and the AI will have trouble figuring out exactly what I'm using those sites for
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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    The pathological need to find something to use LLMs for is so bizzare.

    Venture capital dumped so much money into the tech without understanding the full scope of what it was capable of. Now they're so in so deep that they desperately NEED to find something profitable it can do, otherwise they'll lose the farm.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Firefox has little financial motivation for this, though?

    Other than getting "AI" investor money, if that's the plan... But otherwise it just feels like they're following a meme.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It makes a lot more sense when you realize that the Mozilla corporation is a for profit run by the same techno-fascist aggrandizing bait-and-switch narcissists as the rest of SV.

    I've been saying it for years, but I will never donate to Firefox until it is freed from the shackles of a for profit corporation that can use your donation for any profit motive it sees fit; not even related to Firefox.

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    [–] 221 points 1 year ago* (13 children)
    browser.ml.chat.enabled   false
    
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    [–] 149 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Literally no one on this green earth asked for this shit. In fact, we've been pretty direct about how much we don't want it.

    It's exhausting.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Well, stupid people want it and they do use it when its shoved in their face. Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON so when you try to turn off your phone little old granny gets confused that an ai agent pops up and starts recording you. Absolutely infuriating and I wish torture on whoever implemented that shit.

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    [–] 126 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

    Now, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit to complain about high CPU usage when using the feature, as well as express their disappointment in Mozilla for adding AI to the browser.

    I don't think it even downloads the model if you never enable or use it.

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I love that people get upset that their CPU is using its resources when they're using it.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Reminds me of how some people get upset when their OS uses up all their RAM, no matter how much they have. It's like they want their PC to be sluggish and unresponsive. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.

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    [–] 101 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    TBH despite I don't like this specific idea, nor use Firefox directly, I do like the usage of local inference vs sending your data to thirdparty to do AI.

    They just needed to do it OPT IN, not OPT OUT.

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    [–] 92 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Firefox really does seem to have lost the plot... they don't seem to go five minutes without slamming their dick in another drawer. It starts to look like they're in to it.

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    [–] 85 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    I wish Mozilla would just debloat the browser, focus on performance and making browsing a good experience. But unfortunately their revenue situation is bad. At this stage, they won't even manage to survive through donations after annoying their main user base.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Their revenue is fine. They just waste it on unnecessary bullshit.

    They're a business, after all. They don't care about their products. They care about doing the least amount of work while making the most amount of money.

    It's not about keeping the lights on. It's about living as luxurious a life as possible.

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    [–] 82 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Instead of capitalising on Google pissing off power users with its crusade against adblockers, why the hell is Mozilla fucking up so hard here? Seriously, which chain of command green lit all of this and didn't even think this would be remotely an issue?

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago

    it might have been Laura Chambers, who is CEO since early 2024.

    It has been less than a week since the new interim CEO took over the reigns from long-time Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker. Today news broke that Mozilla is changing its product strategy going forward. The organization plans to focus on bringing "trustworthy AI into Firefox" and to scale back some of its other products and services.

    Breaking: Mozilla changes strategy, focuses on Firefox and AI

    She used to work for McKinsey according to her Wikipedia which explains a lot if you ask me.

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    [–] 77 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Firefox is a good example of "either you die a hero or live long enoigh to see yourself become the villian"

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  • [–] 102 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.

    People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.

    I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.

    What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.

    Honesty it might already be too late.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago

    They could stop paying their CEO so much and hire a few more devs, refocus their identity on privacy and performance (their offline ai translation is actually really useful), and actually give people the sense that their donations will be well spent.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I could not disagree more.

    Mozilla has used the most powerful cheat code in history: infinite money for free.

    Google cannot let Mozilla go under or they would become an actual monopolist, triggering a lot of laws that would force them to diversifying/selling the browser.

    They don't want any of that headache so they're pumping Mozilla full of money, making sure that they can always operate as "the other browser engine".

    The issue is that Mozilla's management seems to be completely incapable of doing anything interesting. Instead of ensuring that Firefox is the lightest, most optimised browser on the market while also being packed full of features (or at least full-fledged add-ons, not this crap they have), they do... mostly nothing.

    Their last major update was "vertical tabs", something that Chromium-based browsers had for around a decade.

    Their previous major update was integrating Pocket...

    Meanwhile, PWAs still barely work, add-ons are still dependent on the website being loaded instead of working on the browser level, the whole thing still feels bulky.

    Mozilla management needs to be replaced and then we might see some movement on the market.

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    [–] 71 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    According to the article, this is mainly for grouping tabs with a suggested name. Talk about backwards. Use AI to process the top websites on the Internet and create groups and/or logic to group them by keywords (cluster analysis), then save the small data structure in Firefox so it can group most websites instantly, using kilobytes of ram in the process; don't try to do this on everyone's device ffs.

    Besides the heat and battery problem, this also means that the GUI is going to be non-deterministic, suggesting groups differently day-to-day based on the slight differences of input and the whims of the LLM. Burn it with fire.

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    [–] 66 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I just want a web browser that's not based in the USA.

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    [–] 58 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    First thing I did when some hey we added AI... was to right-click and disable it.

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    [–] 57 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Mozilla does it again, adding useless crap.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just make it an official extension ffs...

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Waterfox and/or Librewolf FTW

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

    I just wish one could donate to firefox development specifically. Then they could rid it of all the advertisement and tracking stuff.

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    At least they offer a fix for it:

    Head to about:config in a new tab, accept the risk warning, and use the search bar to find the controls.

    To kill the AI chatbot feature, search for browser.ml.chat.enabled and set it to false.

    To stop smart tab grouping, search for browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled and set it to false.

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Do you have to enable the feature first? Because I'm on v141 and I don't see this feature. Complaining about a useless and draining feature that you yourself enabled is a special kind of stupid tbh.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Come to LibreWolf, the waters fine!

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is that what the FUCK has been happening? I've been having tabs just BLOW Up in ram and CPU usage

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    I'll keep using LibreWolf as my main browser while keeping an eye on Ladybird with my fingers crossed.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Awful Idea? Anal Intrusion? Actually Irrelevant?Activating Idiocy? Adding Incompetence?

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