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this is practically a child’s view of the world. good guy vs bad guy. Russia = bad, NATO = good. plus, someone should tell her she has it completely backwards: ending russia is kinda natos entire thing

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago

Even Stalin tried a little to join NATO

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wasn't there an informal deal struck between Gorbachev and (I think) Clinton that Russia would be allowed to join NATO if the Soviet Union broke up? Or am I misremembering that

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was an informal deal around NATO not expanding to around Russia, which is what mearshimer and chompsky have both talked about before.

I think Russia tried to join NATO more to prove it was anti-russia

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Another (rare) Kruschev W

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I think the RF also tried but was likewise rejected

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

keep in mind that this was before the warsaw pact was even a thing, but the US was meanwhile injecting cash, weapons etc. into west germany less than 10 years after the holocaust, and allowing "former" nazis like Adolf Heusinger into key positions within NATO command structure. The USSR tried to join NATO To get some say in these proceedings but were rejected? Why? Not ~~democratic~~ capitalist enough.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Molotov's collective security proposal was rejected by western representatives on two grounds. Firstly, because the United States was excluded from the proposed treaty and relegated, together with Communist China, to observer status.

This is hilarious. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Vyacheslav stay winning