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[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

I don’t think they care as I’m sure they feel whatever Russia is paying them with is worth it. Rocket tech and resources is my guess.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I sure as hell would care if I was a North Korean military leader, more than almost any other country North Korea legitimizes its power through the expression and perception of military might.

Do you think they are sleeping well knowing the machines they tell their country to look up to and see an expression of national pride and power are getting blown up by drones a fraction of the cost with obsolete/DIY munitions strapped to them?

How could they be?

The pride of North Korea's military, a massive MLRS launcher, pictured here with a rocket cooking off THROUGH the cabin of the truck from a Ukrainian drone attack. The rocket can seen punching through the front window in the first screenshot.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_6retflcdg

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Do you think they are sleeping well knowing the machines they tell their country to look up to and see an expression of national pride and power are getting blown up by drones a fraction of the cost with obsolete/DIY munitions strapped to them?

I’m sure they’re not thrilled by that, but if it’s helping them with their main deterrent, nuclear weapons, then I’d assume they’re happily paying the cost. If they are able to develop more advanced ballistic missiles with Russian help, that presents more of a deterrent than any conventional weapon system.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes that makes sense, but realize the only reason Russia has not given them that help before this point was there were things Putin/Russia/The Russian Military wanted in exchange for bestowing that knowledge and helping build up that capability (with the associated international political costs that will accrue for Russia to neutral nations that don't want proliferation of nuclear arms).

They cannot use that as a means to bargain anymore because Russia/Putin was forced to offer that capability in exchange for the help Russia desperately needs.

What I am saying is that you aren't going to see Russia directly "lose" here, you are just going to see the results of a reduced bargaining position with their allies, which might not look like a loss on the surface but the only reason that action would be taken by Russia logically is if it was a loss...

Wars are never really about nations, they are about the ruling class of the world meddling out their pecking order until they are happy with it and can agree it is ok for the average people on both sides to stop dying in pointless war (Ukraine being stuck in the middle defending itself with Russia on one side and the criminally unhelpful Western Military Industrial complex on the other keeping Ukraine justtttt supplied enough to survive and Elon Musk hovering over the Starlink power button ready to shut it off the minute the underdogs start really winning.).

The way geopolitical power works there are direct game theory reasons powers like China or India may not want Russia to catastrophically lose this war that are more basic than culture, ethics, beliefs or money and reflect the human innate tendency to attempt to balance the power of systems so they don't fall wildly out of control. Thus Russia "decisively losing the war" is going to look like a series of bargains Russia makes with foreign powers to try to paper over the obvious fact they can no longer realistically fight a war without condemning their people to pointless death at a horrifiying unsustainable scale.

In otherwords it will will look like a yardsale of what is still valuable about the Russian military industrial complex to foreign powers allied or simply neutral and rich.

Hopefully, if this is a meaningful progression towards peace, Russia will engage in more and more theater about being oh so powerful while they retreat/effectively end their military offensive. It seems like Putin/Russia right now is unable to do that without resorting to mass attacks on the Ukrainian civilian population to retain the mirage they are effectively fighting a war they will soon win, but that may change as Russia begins to lose more and more catastrophically because of its undeniable material shortages.

this post was submitted on 28 Jul 2025
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