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[-] [email protected] 108 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

we kill 3T animals a year for food/medicine/clothing/etc. Maybe we should stop?

edit: sorry, that was quite extreme of me to suggest we don't kill 3T animals a year.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

not sure what the edit is for... you looking to be disagreed with? are there comments I can't see?

[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I was merely pointing out that people call people extremists for not eating animals, but they don't recognise that killing TRILLIONS of animals a year is extreme.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I just don't think you have anything to apologize for. so why apologize?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

it was a joke.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Do ypu have a source for that 4 trillion?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

it changes depends on the source. this quotes 1.2T per year. It's in the trillions anyway.

[+] [email protected] -21 points 6 days ago

There are too many cultural factors involved to get a majority of people to stop eating meat.

The best way to reduce the number of livestock killed is to reduce the number of humans.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago

You can shift culture, at least slowly. I think our best shot at significantly reducing animals killed is probably investing more into lab-grown meat

[-] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

If you’re worried about cultural factors, you might find removing any significant percentage of the total population will likely run into even more implacable “cultural factors” than meat reduction would.

This is regardless of the method of population reduction, save perhaps “slow decline” which seems to be promising atm, but that obviously has the downside that it’ll take a few generations to really have an impact.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I’m not suggesting a method to reduce population its just an observation that there are simply too many people for basically anything to be sustainable.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's not though, seeing that a very large proportion of the world's population get by, and that about 1/3rd of all food produced for human consumption is wasted each year. (Checked the UN source it's 19% of food that makes it to people, and 13% of food pre-end point in the supply chain).

And this is without starting to consider the energy inefficiency of feeding livestock to feed to humans.

Also an awful lot of the world gets by with much less than US or much of Western Europe does. There's a long way between our surplus of food and food insecurity.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Food is only one factor, and no one has the right to dictate the diet of others. Food is a core part of culture, and destruction of culture is one of the definitions of genocide.

Housing, transport, pollution, these are all problems at such collosal scales given the size of the human population that it simply isn't sustainable.

The sooner that humanity returns to a more sustainable population the better.

There’s a long way between our surplus of food and food insecurity.

Food insecurity is mostly a logistics problem when examined globally. There is no solving that without an increase in energy usage.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

But there's about enough housing for everyone too... Just that it's of houses are sitting empty across Europe, North America, and China.

And lots of the food wasted in those places (minus China) is imported from places with less food security, such as Brazil, India, and Morocco.
So it's almost like the energy use and infrastructure is already part of the problem and solving it would take less.

My point is that Malthusian was never correct, and the problems are ones of distribution. Not number of humans. (And Malthusian worries tend towards genocide naturally, that they've been shown consistently to be wrong should make them doubly suspect.)

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Fair, we certainly won’t see any perfect or even good solutions given human nature and the large population, but I do think we can achieve mediocre success if we really work hard

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

I don't think a single vegan is expecting animal exploitation to completely end in their lifetime. This will require a cultural shift that could take so fucking long. Despite that, we all think it is worth doing and being a part of.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I mean okay

[-] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm going to go brutally murder and deep-fry my dog just to cancel out whatever grass you ate today, you extremist vegoon! something something lions something desert island grumble grumble muh canines

Hope that serves as a warning the next time you feel like ~~expressing an opinion that differs from mine~~ being preachy.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Look I get you but

points at fangs

Canines though

[-] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

^ Vampire! Run for your lives!!!

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Look I get you but points at gums I need dentures

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