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[-] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago

This is exactly what a lot of progressives were saying the past couple of years, that when normal people saw how brutal and gross the immigration policy they were voting for was they would lose their stomach for it. Trouble is the US doesn't change its policies based on the opinions of its citizenry.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is exactly what a lot of progressives were saying the past couple of years, that when normal people saw how brutal and gross the immigration policy they were voting for was they would lose their stomach for it.

That’s really dumb because it operates within the framework that chuds/neolibs are stupid, essentially taking their public opinions at face value.

Same line of logic that gets people to think hypocrisy or policy betrayal on non ethnic cleansing matters actually..matters. Hasan put it perfectly, if the reality that chuds want to live in doesn’t exist and is a complete fabrication, they would rather pretend it exists or conjure it up.

They exist on a different plane of existence and people who don’t regularly interact with them are not understanding what they’re dealing with

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Normal people" aren't chuds or neolibs though. "Normal people" pick their presidential candidate two weeks before they vote (if they even vote at all) based solely on vibes.

Alternate reality casting is extremely common though, I agree with that. I think it mostly manifests as a coping mechanism for politically-inclined people living in a country where on some level they know that their opinions and actions don't matter to the ruling class.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Yeah I wanted to say this too. Normal people don't know or care. They might know who the president is but beyond that they do not give a shit. I'd be surprised if more than half of Americans recognize the name JD Vance. The average American is full of ambient bigotry, but they have no formed beliefs until the moment they try saying stuff out loud. The average person's political affiliation is a shrug and a vote for whoever their parents voted for.

Chuds are in their own fabricated reality, as are liberals. But that veil is only so thick and the average American isn't usually following the spectacle. Normal people are going to see people getting shot with rubber bullets and come to a conclusion that something's being done very wrong, there's a problem in how something is being handled. That kind of thing does get attention

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Politics are completely imaginary things that happen on TV for the average American. It's the spectacle they want. The only time it becomes real is when they personally start to feel the effects, or start to think the effects might hit them. When the TV is no longer showing old guys getting angry, but instead showing masked ICE agents shooting tear gas and shoving people into vans, then yeah it does make the average person anxious. The American is a docile animal who likes to make a lot of noise, but truly wants nothing to happen and nothing to change. Actual change is frightening and doesn't care about politics as a spectacule.

It's probably also very hard to spin the fact that ICE built a literal concentration camp, that looks like a concentration camp, right in Florida.

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