That's partly why it's so worrisome. 10 years ago, it would have meant something, but now it's too late, and I fear now it will only negatively contribute to climate collapse and cause the genocide we hope to avoid.

I think it might be too late to save the country and we all ought to get several state governments to secede... and if a civil war brews because of that, then it would at least have some semblance of a positive outcome.