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They're both awful things, but it's important that the distinction is made.
Some places have been trying to do bail reform, but I believe the federal government has basically quashed that this year... Or are, at the very least, fighting very hard against it.
It's a distinction without a difference. At the end of the day both groups are still random people the government has said "These are bad people trust us," and have not proven it. Pretrial detention still definitionally means they're being held without trial. It's just been decided it's okay in one situation and not the other. What does it matter if someone is theoretically "awaiting trial" if in practice they are just waiting the rest of their lives?
Yes, the immigration detentions are worse. But both are still fundamentally denying due process to those detained.
Absurd... Are you got real?
The fuck do you mean am I for real? Yes let's compare this group of people getting arrested by "law enforcement officers" because "trust me bro, they're criminals and need to be deported," with this group of people being arrested by law enforcement officers because "trust me bro, they're criminals and need to go to prison," shall we?
One group gets no trial, the other gets pressured into pleading guilty regardless of whether they actually did the thing they were arrested for, gets as little as 5 minutes with their public defender depending on the location, and can still end up losing everything even if they're acquitted because of how long they were held for. Oh yeah, that's due process alright.
Of course ICE is the battle we need to fight right now, but let's not fucking pretend that this is some fresh horror we've never seen before. They just feel like they can get away with being more bold with it because "they're illegals" where they don't feel that way with poor people yet. They still feel the need to pretend we get due process.
Either you're not paying attention to what is currently happening, or you're pushing some kind of agenda.
It is not a distinction without a difference, that's fucking absurd. Both things are awful. One could even argue that they're equally awful. Go for it. I'm not ranking awfulness here, just making distinctions.
What is happening right now is different and it's fucking important that people understand this.
Do you know what "distinction without difference" means? It's when you present two things as being entirely different when they function the same way. By treating what ICE is going right now as some new "distinct" thing and ignoring how it's part of a broader issue you make it easier to ignore the whole issue.
Say we win and ICE vanished tomorrow. What is there to stop Red States from just weaponizing the regular old carceral system to effectively continue the same policy? How do you fight against it when you were so bent on saying "No, this is different," and everyone just shrugs because "Oh they're getting due process now. What more do you want? They're criminals,"
You don't have to say that this is some new horror we've never seen before to stress how bad what ICE is doing is. You're actively working against yourself when you make ICE out to be some extraordinary aberration and not the natural progression of American policing.