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India isn't a continent-sized country emptied of its native inhabitants, so there is much less space to design anything neatly.
That's absolute nonsense. We can design things perfectly well when it suits us.
Even if it were true (it isn't; Uttar Pradesh is one of India's largest states, there's no dearth of space there -- this is borne of pure greed and stupidity), that's not an excuse. Quite a few other regions that are painfully short on space have been able to come up with brilliant, compact designs that serve their intended purpose without putting people in grave danger every day. Hong Kong comes to mind
If you can do the taj mahal you can do an intersection
he he, the Taj Mahal? That structure built by a king from an invading dynasty, after which he had the artisans' hands cut off? Much like what the British later threatened to do to weavers and healers and fighters who didn't toe their line?
Irrelevant, don't you think?
more to the point 3/4 of the visible land in that vid is empty, no need to compare to hong kong.
Like I mentioned, UP has no shortage of space. The HK comparison was to say that even if they were short on space that's no excuse to build piss poor infrastructure like this
Everything else remaining the same, you may be wrong. Here, there is no danger at the speeds Indian traffic moves at, that was a sped-up time-lapse. The cyclist was on the wrong side of the road.
I don't know about Hong Kong - more than absolute space, what is the population density - but I imagine control over all the aspects makes for parts that fit better together. Over here, there may be a case for smaller roads planned better, mini buses instead of buses, etc. But the buses already exist. The land is already owned by somebody before they laid down roads. Designed around all that, it isn't that bad.
We have so much infrastructure at the per-capita income levels as they are of a billion people. This isn't something to fret over.
I fight for my life in Indian traffic every day, don't even give me that guff.
Urban or rural? This video is from rural land off the highway, from the looks of it.
I wouldn't play down the rashness in urban traffic, I too am a sufferer!
Come on. Google is a click away. You knew the answer already.
Uttar has a population density of 829 / Km^2. Hong Kong is 6800 /Km^2. That makes Hong Kong 8.5x more dense. And land is owned in Hong Kong, Japan and even the US. When roads are built, the owner is given market rate money for the land.
There is no excuse.
Transportation of some sort is needed. It doesn't matter if it is for bikes, trains, or cars. Land must be used for the good of the people. Absolute ownership, no matter the cost to society is capitalist-brain.
I think your ire is misdirected, but I agree with the ire. The problem is the elevated road there! It serves car-brain, and that space could have been put to good use for the "low income" people as somebody put it, instead of catering to the "high income" people zooming above in cars.
Transportation is necessary. Roads existed long before cars. You didn't even watch the video. The problem was the road couldn't handle a bus turning.
Singapore:
He he. Have you lived there? They started limiting permits for new cars to the number of old cars taken off the road, for example. And they are small enough to have very good public transport. And centtalized enough to control all aspects and plan cohesively.
Do you know of any large region that has done it nearly as well? What is that region's per-capita income and its population density?
My bro, you said UP doesn't have the land to make sure the junction is even safe to turn, and now you said Singapore is small enough for them to make it work. Do you even understand what is the topic about?
Do you even read full messages? They limited car registrations, and have good public transport, because they have to when they are that small.
That junction is unsafe only to car brains. That cyclist was riding the wrong way, which somehow doesn't count?
That elevated road was made to appease outsider car brains, and ate up the space that could have satisfied whatever people here say should have been put up for the benefit of laypersons (who seem to have the fortitude to bear the elevated road hogging space there).
Yet, that elevated road is all right for people here. Right? Otherwise, how could a car-brain third-worldliness pornographer have parked his personal ride on the road above and recorded this!
Yes i read the whole thing. So tell me, how the hell does limiting car and good public transport automagically make their road good?
And what the heck are you on about? That's not even on topic.
There is plenty of space for a roundabout on this intersection
I don't see it. A roundabout would eat into space vehicles need. And roads were laid in and around land already owned by people, so it wouldn't have been a clean slate.
Traffic only flows 3 ways: bus goes on straight, bus turns left, and traffic from that road on its left goes straight. The cyclist should have come on the other side below the elevated road, and turned under it to reach this intersection.
Bro roundabouts are everywhere in europe, we can see tons of space here.
We can visibly see in this video that there's nothing in the way of rounding this junction off