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[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

They're going to tank the progressive candidate regardless of whether or not they run as a Democrat. You have to take away power here, not just try to beat it. Winning primaries, and also actual party positions, both makes them weaker and us stronger. That's way easier than trying to take both the Democratic Party and the GOP in a general.

I think we just need to outwork those fuckers and 20% turnout in the primaries just isn't going to cut it. The number of people who support progressive policies dwarfs the number of people who vote in the primaries. Until that changes, a 3rd party isn't going to do shit.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

They're going to tank the progressive candidate regardless of whether or not they run as a Democrat.

True, which is why it's important to have a free hand to fight back. It's a lot harder to attack the Democratic Party as the hopelessly corrupt institution it is from the inside than from the outside. It's easier to organize as a third party than as a group of individuals in a big tent organization that wants you gone, and that way you can take more radical action and use more radical rhetoric than when you're in one way or another beholden to the party apparatus. For example a third party would be able to do things like organize protests, civil disobedience and strikes (which should be a hallmark tactic of any self-respecting leftists opposition party), attack establishment Democrats for being sellouts, run even when party sabotage tanks your primary campaign, put a whole organization's weight behind favored candidates rather than individual endorsements and play hardball when you don't get your way in government like centrists like to do so often. Of course splitting the vote under FPTP can lead to Republican victories, but with smart risk control this can be mitigated at less cost than cooperating with Democrats. Now technically most of these things can be done even as part of the Democratic Party, but they just aren't, so founding a new party with principles and organization conductive to leftist action will result in a generally more effective party apparatus. Meanwhile trying to take over the DNC certainly offers a more attractive prize, but it comes with a whole spider web's worth of strings attached.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Do both. People on the inside bolstered by support from outside groups. We are Legion. We can execute such a strategy.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Yep, primaries and special elections are where grassroots grit can have the biggest impact. In my jurisdiction, there was a special election related to home rule. It was a MAGA power grab, no question.

It was defeated with almost 70% saying no to the formation of the Commission that would draft a home rule charter. About 30% of eligible voters in the county turned out, which is really high for a special.

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