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I see you're quite passionate about the carnivore diet but I'd suggest some adjustments to the diet guide that address key health concerns:

Could you add a section about kidney stone prevention? The carnivore diet significantly increases kidney stone risk due to high animal protein intake, acidic urine, and zero plant-based alkalizing compounds. Studies show 5.9% incidence rate vs 0.25-0.3% in general population: Incidence and Characteristics of Kidney Stones in Patients on Ketogenic Diet: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

Could you include guidance on fiber supplementation? Since carnivore diets provide zero dietary fiber, users miss the 23% reduction in all-cause mortality and 26% reduction in cardiovascular mortality that fiber provides. Consider discussing supplementation strategies: Dietary fiber intake and all-cause and cause-specific mortality: An updated systematic review and meta-analysis

Could you include guidance on digestive health management? Since fiber feeds beneficial gut bacteria and prevents constipation, carnivore dieters may need specific strategies to maintain gut health without any plant foods: Dietary fiber intake and total mortality: a meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies

Could you add a section on micronutrient monitoring? A nutrient analysrt in multiple essential nutrients including thiamin, magnesium, calcium, vitamin C, folate, and potassium (you can even see it in the nutrient table in the guide). Regular blood work and targeted supplementation may be necessary: Assessing the Nutrient Composition of a Carnivore Diet: A Case Study Model

Could you include cardiovascular monitoring recommendations? Given the significant dietary shift, more frequent lipid panels and blood pressure monitoring could help track how individuals respond to higher saturated fat intake, since responses vary considerably between people. Meta-analyses show both processed and unprocessed red meat consumption are associated with increased CVD, stroke, and heart failure risk: Red meat consumption, cardiovascular diseases, and diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis and Health effects associated with consumption of unprocessed red meat: a Burden of Proof study

Could you add a section on cancer risk awareness? A comprehensive analysis of 148 studies found red meat increases breast cancer risk by 9%, endometrial cancer by 25%, and colorectal cancer by 10%. Users should be aware of these risks for informed decision-making: Consumption of red meat and processed meat and cancer incidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis

As with most highly restrictive diets there's lots of bloodwork and supplementation required to make sure you don't damage your body long term and while it may be much harder than having a more varied diet it may be useful if you don't have any other choice.


@[email protected] Originally expressed these concerns in a comment but due to some federation issues outside of our control it didn't federate properly, so I'm reposting it here so it can be seen by everyone.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

My original reply that no one but me could see:

To skim the papers

  1. Kidney stones. This says incidence in the general population might be 8.8% your link says ketogenic diets give a risk for adults of about 7%. Why would we talk about that risk reducing when there are literally thousands of conditions that are fixed by carnivore? Just for me who was pretty healthy before I went carnivore to deal with food allergies have the list below fixed
  2. Compares dietary fibre intake among people on the standard diet or other diets with enough people to appear in such broad statistics. We're not a big enough population to appear in those studies. We're not like those people. There's a big difference between a common low fibre diet (one eating a lot of processed foods and sugar) and a zero fibre diet
  3. See 2
  4. Micronutrients: it's already there, didn't you read the post before asking chatGPT to write this for you?
  5. We're happy with cardio health following the research on LMHR people. I don't have the links handy but they're open. Search LMHR study. There are two of them.
  6. We're happy with the cancer risk, especially with the Warburg (? spelling) effect where cancer feeds on sugar which we have little of, along with promising published anecdotes. That paper isn't comparing carnivore dieters. It compares undefined high meat consumption (which is worrying as that category often includes foods that aren't especially meat, such as pizza and hamburger (, fries, and a coke). If I have missed something here please correct me, but that looks like it is systematically reviewing crap epidemiology.

List of things this diet changed for me

  • Lost visceral fat
  • Feeling on my knee returned
  • toenail fungus gone
  • gout gone
  • energy up
  • Bicycling speed increased
  • no reflux anymore
  • allergies reduced
  • don't need to eat as often
  • no more staining on the toilet
  • Mental clarity and stability improved

I recall seeing this set of studies before. I think I got that list from an LLM when I was trying to challenge my beliefs

If you try carnivore for 90 days it's hard to go back to another way of eating. So it felt so good - every health thing evaporated, my ability to do stuff went up, my ability to deal with adversity with a clear head is immeasurably improved

So I felt I needed to check myself. What if the mainstream advice was correct? So I asked an LLM for an assessment of carnivore and it gave me a list an awful lot like that and I was disappointed. Nothing was pertinent. All of the comparisons were normal diet versus bad diet that is characterised as low fibre, but is better described as high sugar; or ketogenic (lots of seed oils and coconut oil to treat mental illness) versus healthy people

I don't want to know about how bad versions of the standard diet are worse than good versions

I want to know about people on zerocarb compare to the alternatives

So far we only have the first LMHR study which compared carnivore dieters' heart health to matched controls from the general population and showed no harm from carnivore to heart health. The second LMHR study compared the carnivore dieters to themselves from a year before and found that the diet was not related to cardiac plaques

So the studies that say (unspecified) high meat intake causes whatever aren't convincing

There are too many bad epidemiological papers that define practically all junk food as meat and find (unsurprisingly) that a high junk food diet is unhealthy

There are too many studies that compare someone eating the standard diet, running on sugar, but also eating high fat and pretending they're like someone who eats no sugar and runs on fat. We're on a different metabolism.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

no reflux anymore

Yeah, I noticed this too. It's amazing how I never thought I had a reflux problem before, but now that it's gone I realize how bad it was. If I cheat (or use too much spice) I get reflux and its like a nice feedback loop telling me not to cheat.

I want to know about people on zerocarb compare to the alternatives

If I was a billionaire I'd setup these studies. Fund a third world prison for 10 years, divide the kitchens between low fat, plant based, low carb, zero carb... and record every metric possible. No other way to do this then some lock-in group, and its hard to find volunteers for a decade so it has to be someone insuitutalinized

I don’t want to know about how bad versions of the standard diet are worse than good versions

Literally every diet is better then the standard western diet, not much value in the epidemiology coming out comparing against the high sugar, highly processed, low protein diet.... It's not much of a baseline, its sensational but not clinically significant.

I know eating pixie sticks and coke all day is going to be healthier then binging on cocaine and meth... publishing papers about it isn't going to help inform my choices or improve my health.

first LMHR study which compared carnivore dieters’ heart health to matched controls from the general population and showed no harm from carnivore to heart health.

I'm not sure this group was carnivore, it was long term ketogenic, which has a overlap with carnivore but it's guaranteed in the data. Probably lots of plant based foods still in this group.

eating high fat and pretending they’re like someone who eats no sugar and runs on fat. We’re on a different metabolism.

Very well said!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Thank you for going over that like you do with papers. I like to have my beliefs and positions challenged. I want to be the best me

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