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You assume humans do the opposite? We literally institutionalize humans who not follow set patterns.
Maybe you failed all your high school classes, but that ain't got none to do with me.
Funny how triggering it is for some people when anyone acknowledges humans are just evolved primates doing the same pattern matching.
It's not that institutionalized people don't follow "set" pattern matches. That's why you're getting downvotes.
Some of those humans can operate with the same brain rules alright. They may even be more efficient at it than you and I may. The higher level functions is a different thing.
That’s absolutely what it is. It’s a pattern on here. Any acknowledgment of humans being animals or less than superior gets hit with pushback.
Humans are animals. But an LLM is not an animal and has no reasoning abilities.
It’s built by animals, and it reflects them. That’s impressive on its own. Doesn’t need to be exaggerated.
Impressive = / = substantial or beneficial.
These are almost the exact same talking points we used to hear about ‘why would anyone need a home computer?’ Wild how some people can be so consistently short-sighted again and again and again.
What makes you think you’re capable of sentience, when your comments are all cliches and you’re incapable of personal growth or vision or foresight?
What makes you think you’re capable of sentience when you’re asking machines to literally think for you?
LoL. Am I less sentient for using a calculator?
You’re astoundingly confident in your own sentience, for someone who seems to struggle to form an original thought. It’s like the convo was lifted straight out of that I, Robot interrogation scene. You hold the machines to standards you can’t meet yourself.
Funny you should use that example, I am actually a musician and composer, so yes. You’ve proved nothing other than your own assumptions that everyone else is as limited in their ability to create, learn, and express themselves as you are. I’m not looking for a crutch, and you’re using a work of intentionally flawed fictional logic to attempt to make a point. The point you’ve established is you live in a fantasy world, but you don’t understand that because it involves computers.
And there’s the reveal!! That’s why it’s so personal for you! It’s a career threat. It all adds up now.
I don’t make money, it’s something I do for personal enjoyment, that’s the entire purpose of art, it’s something I also use algorithmic processing to do. I’m not going to hand over my enjoyment to have a servitor do something for me to take credit for, I prefer to use my brain, not replace it.
No one told you to hand it over. A technology being able to do something does not require you to use it. And people misusing the technology to feign talent is a reflection of the people- not the tech.
It’s not even to feign talent, it’s people trying to replace the brain instead of using applicable tools to help us advance and progress, you’re just advertising a product.
People have been presenting the work of others as their own for all of history. All that changed was a new tool was found to do that. But at least these are a form of derivative works, and not just putting their name directly on someone else’s carbon copy.
Tell that to Studio Ghibli. Also, people being shitty is not a good excuse for people to be shitty, you’re advocating to make it easier to enable people to be shitty.
Studio Ghibli does not have exclusive rights to their style- whether it’s used by a person or an AI to inspire a new image. Those are derivative works. Totally legal. Arguably ethical. If it’s not a direct copy, how has the studio been harmed? What work of theirs was diminished?
I’m advocating for tools. How people use those tools is on them.
I disagree.
I didn't say we aren't animals or that we don't follow physics rules.
But what you're saying is the equivalent of "everything that goes up will eventually go down - that's how physics works and you don't see that, you're in denial!!!11!!!1"
I appreciate your telling the truth. No downvotes from me. See you at the loony bin, amigo.
We actually have sentience, though, and are capable of creating new things and having realizations. AI isn’t real and LLMs and dispersion models are simply reiterating algorithmic patterns, no LLM or dispersion model can create anything original or expressive.
Also, we aren’t “evolved primates.” We are just primates, the thing is, primates are the most socially and cognitively evolved species on the planet, so that’s not a denigrating sentiment unless your a pompous condescending little shit.
The denigration of simulated thought processes, paired with aggrandizing of wetware processing, is exactly my point. The same self-serving narcissism that’s colored so many biased & flawed arguments in biological philosophy putting humans on a pedestal above all other animals.
It’s also hysterical and ironic that you insist on your own level of higher thinking, as you regurgitate an argument so unoriginal that a bot could’ve easily written it. Just absolutely no self-awareness.
It’s not higher thinking, it’s just actual thinking. Computers are not capable of that and never will be. It’s not a level of fighting progress, or whatever you are trying to get at, it’s just a realistic understanding of computers and technology. You’re jerking off a pipe dream, you don’t even understand how the technology you’re talking about works, and calling a brain “wetware” perfectly outlines that. You’re working on a script writers level of understanding how computers, hardware, and software work. You lack the grasp to even know what you’re talking about, this isn’t Johnny Mnemonic.
I call the brain “wetware” because there are companies already working with living neurons to be integrated into AI processing, and it’s an actual industry term.
That you so confidently declare machines will never be capable of processes we haven’t even been able to clearly define ourselves, paired with your almost religious fervor in opposition to its existence, really speaks to where you’re coming from on this. This isn’t coming from an academic perspective. This is clearly personal for you.
Here’s the thing, I’m not against LLMs and dispersion for things they can actually be used for, they have potential for real things, just not at all the things you pretend exist. Neural implants aren’t AI. An intelligence is self aware, if we achieved AI it wouldn’t be a program. You’re misconstruing Virtual Intelligence for artificial intelligence and you don’t even understand what a virtual intelligence is. You’re simply delusional in what you believe computer science and technology is, how it works, and what it’s capable of.
I’m not talking about neural interfaces. I’m talking about organiod intelligence.
I am a computer scientist with lab experience in this. I’m not pulling this out of my ass. I’m drawing from direct experience in development.
Yeah, that’s the problem with the field, too many delusional people trying to find god in a computer because they didn’t understand what Asimov was actually writing about.
That it has to be nothing or everything with you, decision trees or God himself, is the likely foundation of your inability to have simple objective take on the existing technology and its capabilities. It’s giving bi-polar.
Now I’m not uninformed- I’m too informed!! LoL. That goalpost just shifted right across the field, and still you cannot admit to your ignorance.
You haven’t made any point or even expressed an understanding of how these programs work. You’ve just been evangelizing about how AI is great, I genuinely don’t believe you understand what you’re talking about because you’ve expressed literally no proper understanding or explanation of your points outside of using a scene from I, Robot which kind of makes you look like you entirely misconstrue the concepts you’re sucking the dick of.
What kind of computer sciences do you work with as a profession? What is your applicable lab work?
I’m not evangelizing. You incorrectly stated the limitations and development paths of the tech, and I corrected you.
Again with the religious verbiage from you. But I’m the one proselytizing?
It’s not nothing- it’s an impressive feat of technology that’s still in its infancy. It’s also not everything, and not anywhere close to a reasoning mind at this point. You are obsessive with extremes.
You didn’t answer my question. You’ve also still yet to give any details on your reasoning.
Actually, you’re out of your depth, and I think you’ve been outed enough. We’re done, and I’m blocking.
The sure sign of confidence, you’ve definitely shown me how stupid I am.
No, I’m not gonna dox myself.
Reasoning for what? What details are you needing for clarification?
Let’s start simple. How do these programs work? Where do they get their data and how is it applied? And a general field of work is not doxxing, you’re just dodging accountability.
We also reward people who can memorize and regurgitate even if they don't understand what they are doing.
Some of them, sometimes. But some are adulated and free and contribute vast swathes to our culture and understanding.