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[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

With that amount of vitriol I'm guessing you found it! Let's go over our evidence shall we?

  • homophobia in the 1960s was incredibly common
  • one of MLK's top advisors was an openly gay man
  • the only writing we have from MLK on the topic states his viewpoint:^1^

"The type of feeling you have towards boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally aquired.___ You honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it."

  • MLK was a Christian minister within a historically black protestant church (SCLC) that to this day has not made their opinions about LGBTQIA+ issues known.

Based on that, were I to speculate, it appears to me that MLK was typical of his time and held quite a few homophobic views himself. Not from a place of hate, but from a place of ignorance.

It seems far more likely than "he was an extreme outlier who deeply understood the plight of his queer allies, but alas was forced to make a 4d chess tactical decision to sacrifice them at the altar of public opinion".

However, the main takeaway is that we don't fucking know and attempting to use that uncertainty to justify sacrificing marginalized groups is disgusting.

In my opinion it is important for anyone who stumbles upon your dangerous, shit take to understand the place of ignorance it stems from and hoping that you aren't so far gone that you can realize it too.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago

So, by your logic, whatever the reason, King was disgusting because he didn't speak out?

And if he isn't disgusting, what's the difference between him and me?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

You attempting to use that uncertainty to justify sacrificing marginalized groups is disgusting.

MLK did not say black liberation can only be achieved over queer bodies, you did.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago

War has been declared, and we can’t just plug our ears and pretend it’s not happening.

Exactly my point. It's a war and you have to think strategically.

Armies retreat, people get left to die, and that's just the way it is.

If you think you can win a war without taking casualties, you're just silly.

War is hell.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

A. You're responding to someone else.

B. Ah yes, the meatgrinder tactic, notable for it's effectiveness when used by the minority group within a conflict. How strategic and clever you are /s

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago

A. Then ignore it if it's not your words.

B. In this discussion, you were being highly amusing by concentrating on a quibble over why MLK did what he did.

You didn't once mention Frederick Douglas, probably because as an ex-slave working for a politician who couldn't promise emancipation he's much closer to the actual meat of the argument.

So, go nuts. Explain why Frederick Douglas was disgusting for helping Lincoln instead of a sure to lose abolition candidate.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I didn't mention Frederick Douglas because I know who I'm replying to and how to stay on topic.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago

And I know who I am responding to.

It was funny watching you tie yourself in knots, and satisfying to see you admit that you have nothing useful to say.

Now that you've exhausted yourself, I'll leave.

I was kinda hoping you'd find a way to pretend you'd been more oppressed than Douglas, but I guess even you have some selfawareness.

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