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To Stop Losing the Culture Wars, Learn From Gay Marriage (jacobin.com)

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

What a terrible article. Repeat after me: "The Democrats are not the left. Most Washington Democrats are corporate centrists."

If the author can't understand that basic point, who would believe them about anything else? ... And hey, you can have your own definitions, no worries, but after 2016 and 2024, you damn well oughtta be able to see that the Dems don't represent tens of millions of us.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bro, they're writing in Jacobin, they know what the left is, and the difference between being on a national left and being a leftist.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Right its jacobin lmao cant have shit here

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

This article is a very abbreviated version of the book that she recently published, "Outclassed: How the Left Lost the Working Class and How to Win Them Back". If you want to win, you have to address the core issues that the Dems have left behind. Republicans say the right things re: jobs, but they have no follow through, and they aren't doing anything to help reduce the anger against oligarchs. (And the right thing to do to reduce the anger would be eliminate the oligarchs.)

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

The problem at the very core is that Dems do not want to address these issues. They have the same donors as Republicans. This is why they only focus on the culture war and fully ignore class.

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

Sadly that war is not over yet. They're going to actively try to take it back. Gay marriage isn't safe and we shouldn't pretend it is.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Not sure where you're talking about but in the US it's as safe as it will ever be short of an amendment to the Constitution.

At the national level it's protected by law in the Respect for Marriage Act, by case law precedent AND the constitution per Obergefell v. Hodges and its supported by ~70% of Americans by last polling.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Supreme Court Justices have hinted in arguments that they might want to revisit Obergefell. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to guess which ones.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

They can revisit it all they want.

The Respect for Marriage Act, signed into law in 2022, codifies federal protections for same-sex and interracial marriage, ensuring that marriages valid under state law are recognized federally, regardless of the couple's sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

Until Congress repeals the Respect for Marriage Act it's protected by law. Nothing SCOTUS can do about that.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I like your optimism but the rule of law is rapidly becoming meaningless here.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I just watched a video of an enraged MAGAT. The tax cuts on overtime only applied to people making under 100k. No focus on the tax cuts at the top. Just mad all the tradesmen making over 100k didn’t get their free money. “Working class priorities” are rise to the top and pull up the ladder. They are “what about meeeee” and a side of “ill pay more to fuck over the gays and blacks”

We gotta acknowledge most people were appealing too are retarded selfish and evil.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

To stop Losing the Culture Wars

The only winning move is not to play

No war but class war

[-] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago

Surely the class war includes protecting marginalised groups of people

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

The poor are one of those marginalized groups. Democrats have already abandoned them, and are now saying that they need to abandon other marginalized groups and then focus on class.

Of course, they'll get as far as abandoning marginalized groups and forget the rest.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

"wars", or really just disputes in general I guess since culture war is metaphorical, don't really work that way. It only takes one side to start one, and then the other side must either resist them or cede what the other wants, there's no option to just opt out of them without mutual desire to do so, and if someone has started one against you that desire obviously isn't there.

The issues considered "culture war" aren't inconsequential, they affect the lives of real people in material ways. Thus, trying to dismiss them as a distraction just means accepting harm to some people. If one wants a decent society, it is necessary to win both.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

Do you mean that we should simply surrender to the right and let them oppress marginalized groups?

War has been declared, and we can't just plug our ears and pretend it's not happening.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

This is why I posted this basically.

I am wondering can a culture war even be won? Aren't we allowing the conservatives to define the game to such extend that makes winning impossible?

And additionally are these wars even separate or one and the same but viewed through different lenses?

What do you think, oh wise people of the internet?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

That isn't not playing it's just making it bigger to include the broader spectrum

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Tell me you didn’t even read the lede that directly ties it into the class war without telling me

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

The first step of winning a culture war is to acknowledge you are in one.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Sadly I think the big turning point for gay rights in this country was the Matthew Shepard murder. It was very much another Emmett Till type of turning point that shocked a lot of people into awareness.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

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