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If we can do plasma deposition for cheap mirror reflective sunglasses with polycarbonate, why aren't these materials commonly used?

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago

Googling says thermal expansion. It's 8x worse.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is exactly why. Some numbers:

  • Polycarbonate thermal expansion coefficient - 65 * 10^-6 per degree C (source)
  • Glass thermal expansion coefficient - 9 * 10^-6 per degree C (source)

Most amateur telescopes are used shortly after dusk when the temperature is changing more rapidly than deep in the night when the temperature might be more stable. Also, the coatings are not as resistant to more dramatic expansion cycles (remember that you need those mirrors to stay very smooth). Given the high price and low volume of the goods, it doesn't make sense to cheap out on a critical component like this and give yourself a bad reputation among a very small but dedicated community.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Low thermal expansion glasses/ceramics can have coefficients of thermal expansion of 0 (+/- tolerance). For example, SCHOTT ZERODUR can be 0 +/- 0.02 * 10^-6 per degree C.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

(amateur)

Also, I can make thermals irrelevant easily with a small heating element and PID loop running on a $0.50 microcontroller. Many people run such elements already to avoid issues with moisture.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Which is more complexity.

You haven't really presented any compelling reasons to use poly.

Whats the advantage that outweighs the negatives?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The OP said cost. A 16" glass mirror is $1400. Adding $20 of microcontrollers, heaters and sensors to a $100 plastic mirror could be extremely interesting.

There is also a weight savings which makes the rest of the design easier.

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