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submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

why is the plot in apocalypse series always that everyone is aginst everyone? that all people need to arm themselves because everyone wants to kill each other?

in real life scenarios of extreme situations, in almost every case humans would stick together and show altruistic behaviour, share everything because that is the only way to survive. but in fiction it is always the opposite(?).

why is it like that? what do you think?

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

It is kind of hard to make good drama out of "everybody is doing farming and helping eachother to get the best out of a shitty situation". It is a lot easier to imagine a good narrative when there's conflict, danger and violence in the picture. The capitalist idea of "human nature" as inherently selfish and evil also push writers towards the more violent narratives.

But could you make a good and engaging narrative based on the premise that humans are inherently good and altruistic? While danger makes a story engaging that danger doesn't have to come from Mad Max style psychos in bondage gear. The dangers facing the post-apocalyptical society could be the dangers connected to surviving in a world where all supply chains and infrastructure is gone and people have to relearn subsistence farming fast not to starve to death. The danger could also come from the before times, like radioactive fallout or whatever. You could even throw a few leather enthusiasts with guns in the mix but present them as the unsustainable anomaly such marauders would be.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Agreed. It’s not exciting watching a bunch of people work together to build a windmill. Nobody will spend millions of dollars to hire actors and release it on Netflix.

The only way it could be is if they’re also working together to, I dunno, resist murderous aliens or armed human capitalists at the same time. (“Oh no, the capitalists have come to destroy our peaceful and productive commune!”) But then we’re getting back to some kind of “us versus them.”

[-] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

I am actually reminded of Frostpunk, which is a narrative focused settlement building survival strategy videogame that I would say is about as close to a post apocalypse story which is broadly collectivist, where the main tension and drama comes from the environmental conditions and tough decisions to survive. I played it ages ago so I may not recall it entirely clearly but that's what stuck with me.

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